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2000 Coloured 50c Proof Discolouration

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 Posted 08/17/2012  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
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 Posted 08/17/2012  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dibby33 to your friends list
Jings, I also did that to my dead grans wedding coin collection. I used brasso and a wire brush and after a few hours of pouring water gathered from drinking too much beer I managed to be able to read the dates....
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 Posted 08/17/2012  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
Getting back on topic....
If I owned a set that had these problems I would be taking a close look at the trade practices act.
I am pretty sure that this is a problem that should be fixed by the manufacturer (ie the mint has made a faulty product and needs to fix the issue somehow).
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 Posted 08/17/2012  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
12 years on,i don't think the Mint has any obligation,the Mint does'nt guarantee any of their products that I know of & certainly not 12 years after the initial sale.
I'm not saying that Rob or whoever "has" opened the set &/or handled the coins but this "could" have happened any time in the last 12 years.
If you buy a new car & after 12 years the paint starts to peel or discolour can you take it back to the dealer you bought it from & get a new one to replace it ? ,even if you did'nt use the car in that 12 years the dealer is'nt going to give you a replacement.
It's very unfortunate that this has happened but even if the Mint did admit it was their fault,how do they replace it ? start restriking sets 12 years on,i'd doubt it.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
Appleangel07,
You are comparing apples with oranges :)
What is a reasonable expectation for paint on a daily driver to remain "good"?
What is a reasonable expectation for paint on a bugatti veyron that is kept in a sealed environmentally controlled house to remain "good"?
What is a reasonable expectation for a 1980 proof set to remain "good"?
What is a reasonable expectation for a 2004 proof set to remain "good"?
I would be interested to know what you think is fair for each of those examples.
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08/17/2012 7:46 pm
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 Posted 08/17/2012  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
more than 12 years, Obviously LOL.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
They were serious questions and are getting at "Is the 2004 proof set faulty or not?"

I will give you my own answers.

1. I think paint on a car should not "just peel and fall off" ever. If it ever did that, without there being some type of abuse, it would be faulty. However, proving it was faulty, and not due to something the owner did could be impossible. Likewise, if it faded badly after only 2 years I think it would be faulty Again proving it might be difficult.
I have a car which is close to 10 years old. It has been reasonably looked after, and the paint is still in ok condition (appart from scrapes/dings etc). I think that is a fair expectation to have. If it had to be resprayed at 5 years old (and there was no reason such as abuse) I would not be happy.
There are some spots on the bumper where someone got some type of auto paint on our car when it was still quite new. That has eaten into the paint. If the original paint peeled as a result of that, I would not blame the manufacturer as it was not due to a manufacturers fault.
2. Paint on a million dollar car which is carefully stored also should never just "peel and fall off". In that case it should be much easier to prove that it is a manufacturing fault, and I would expect the manufacturer to repair it.
3. There are plenty of 1980 proof sets that are still perfect (32 years on)
so
4. I would expect a 2004 proof set to still be perfect (at 8 years old)

Proof sets are designed and expected to be perfect for a long time.

My understanding of consumer protection laws is that it is not so much about "has it lasted the 12 month warranty" and more about "has the customer got what they paid for".
eg from Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) website at
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http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item...+refunds.pdf
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How long do consumers' statutory
rights apply?
Statutory rights are not limited to a set time
period. Instead, they apply for the amount of time
that is reasonable to expect, given the cost and
quality of the item.
This means a consumer may be entitled to a
remedy under their statutory rights after any
manufacturer's voluntary or extended warranty has
expired.
For example, it is reasonable to expect that an
expensive television should not develop a serious
fault after 13 months of normal use. In this case,
the consumer could argue the item was not of
merchantable quality and ask for it to be repaired,
even if the manufacturer's voluntary warranty had
expired.
---

The same publication covers "remedies" to fix problems as well.
I agree that stamping more 2004 proof sets is not likely to happen (and I actually would not like to see it happen).
However there are other possiblities.
eg. refund of money, credit towards other products, replacing with a different agreeable product.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list

Quote:
the mint has made a faulty product and needs to fix the issue somehow.


I get the feeling that this would open a can of worms. Would this mean that all mint sets 1969 - 1983 with the PVC would also be open to compensation?

I think the Mint would claim that while all care is taken in manufacturing their products they don't provide a lifetime guarantee.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
There are many factors that may contribute to the discolouration of anything you buy from the Mint,Enviroment would be a major factor in many cases,fluctuation in tempature & moisture, as we know extreme tempature changes occur frequently in Australia.
MOR's took the words right out of my mouth in his post,another example would be the 1985 Mint Sets,the yellowing of the plastic in the folders,if someone buys one of the yellow plastic sets now & it's been sold half a dozen times in the period since it's release,would this entitle them to contact the Mint & say their set has discoloured plastic & they want a replacement or credit for another agreed product,again I don't think so !
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 Posted 08/17/2012  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
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 Posted 08/17/2012  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
Other examples would have to be considered seperately on their own merits.
I think the proof sets are more clear cut.
Environment is pretty much irrelevant to the proof sets we are discussing as they are sealed.
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08/17/2012 9:25 pm
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Congratulations on 1000 posts!
Thanks for all your contributions!
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Couldnt condensation still occur inside the packaging if the temperature change quickly?
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 Posted 08/17/2012  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list
Maybe. I don't know how they're packed, but there's probably normal air in them so condensation could conceivably be an issue.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
Thanks Enworb & ozcoins

& yes I do believe even though the proof set are sealed,temperature changes would have some affect on these sets,even if it is only slight but happeneed several times over a period of time until it becomes significant.
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