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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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AFAIK the Band of Hope had no political affiliations but was, and is, a temperance movement dedicated to warning children and young people of the dangers of alcohol.
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Valued Member
 United Kingdom
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I guess I will just give that medal away then to someone who goes to AA meetings. Any idea of the value of the others? In total I bought about 14 of these Chinese coins for $75 at an antiques auction, so far I managed to sell one for ca 5$ on ebay but it took a whole afternoonto find out which one it exactly was lol |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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That particular Band of Hope approx $5-7 and the 40 Para $3 in F, $10 in VF
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 Australia
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Unfortunately, the Chinese "cash coins" (#1 to #4) are all reproductions of ancient cash, some of which have been given a zodiac theme on the reverse. Also replicas (I suspect) are the three ancient Judaean coins: #8 is a prutah from the Maccabean period, but I can't tell which king (see this Wildwinds page for similar pieces); #9 is a copy of a bronze from the time of Nero (Hendin 652 on this Wildwinds page, while #10 is a bronze from the First Revolt period {Hendin 670 on this page). You might want to post closeups of just these three coins in the Ancients section for a more professional opinion on ID and authenticity. Finally, I think #6 and #7 are Iranian "civic coppers" from the 1700s-1800s, and #11 is an old Spanish copper from 1655. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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No.7 is a falus of Awadh Sha Alam II AH1173-1221 1759-1806. That's a Northern India princley state.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I think Sap is right with all the others except I think No.6 is an Afgan civic copper rather than Iranian, though the distinction can be rather blurry in some instances.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Thanks for helping guys!
This should give me somewhat an idea how to catalogue those (well they will end up all in the same box of unusual coins I guess. Am a bit disappointed that the Chinese cash ones are fakes, they are pretty darn good fakes though imho and I will probably stay far away from them in the future, did pay like $70-75 for over a dozen of those at an antiques auction, I guess won't be going there anymore....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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>>>I think Sap is right with all the others except I think No.6 is an Afgan civic copper rather than Iranian, though the distinction can be rather blurry in some instances.
#6 is KM351.3 Awadh Falus.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Andyg - your right good spot.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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I've been reading somewhere though that in general if the Chinese ones are magnetic then it is a good sign of them being fake, mine are all nonmagnetic so they could still be genuine? I do not see any giveway on the edges that they were cast...maybe should save up for a handheld XRF:)
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I'm afraid there is no question about it - they are fake. Interestingly genuine Chinese cash from the Sung dynasty were made of iron and are hence very magnetic.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Not surprised that you are confused! If they were genuine the #1 & #3 coins would be from the Wang Mang era (AD 7-22). Between the Western and Eastern Han Dynasty. The majority of his coins were made of bronze with gold, silver and shells thrown-in for good measure! There were several varieties of this 'wu shu' coin due, mainly, to illicit casting.(for which the punishment was death - but that didn't seem to be a strong enough deterrent!!). For example - various sizes and character styles, coarsely made (a Szechuan product),a double outer and a double inner rim etc.
When purchasing any coin it is important to know the origin of the coin. Buy only from an established dealer who is known and trusted in the numismatic community. The Calgary Coin website is an excellent source of information. Also, if you have the time and inclination, check the British Museum collection of ancient Chinese coins.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Well the Chinese ones I bought those off a reputable major antiques and fine art auction in the UK, the guy who runs it is well known and does evaluations for several antiques programs on tv in the UK. They look real to me, also the patina on each coin is slightly different, they look as if they have age so so I am a bit confused about them potentially being fakes.
Well as I said in the future I won't be buying Chinese cash coins anymore, real or fake, too much of a minefield.
Speaking of fakes, I did buy 2 Silver Austrian Philharmonica bullion coins from the Guernsey Mint, I weighed each one of them on my 2 decimal scale and they differ in weight by 0.13 grams... SO all this thinking about fakes seems to spoil the fun greatly.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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To all who said the Chinese cash coins might be counterfit:
I did bring the Chinese coins to someone with years of experience dealing with coins to have a look at and was told that they are in fact genuine!:)
Well except for one more brassy and newer looking than the others which is not on a photos here "which could be a contemporary restrike/forgery/counterfeit"
So I am happy with that:)
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