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1837 Capped Bust Dime

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 Posted 02/19/2013  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I don't think this coin will make Mint State at a TPG, the big hit on the reverse in the shield of the eagle might even get it into a details holder, or possible surface damage. I think the green spots maybe PVC contaminate, get thee off thy coin ASAP. I would never do any cleaning that would change the tone of this coin either. Worst case scenario EF45 details - best case AU53 IMO.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list

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 Posted 02/19/2013  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list

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Tough call but I can't see a Mint State coin here


I'd have to agree. XF45 Details sounds about right. Might squeeze an AU50 out of her.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
If sent in, I think may come back EF-45 details possibly AU-50 details. While the coin has a nice crusty look, it is dark in spots and may be labeled environmental damage by the graders. The scratch on the reverse doesn't help either.
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 Posted 02/22/2013  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
first off, David, you're da man! I did exactly as you stated and every bit of green is gone

i soaked and swished and soaked and swished and rose thorn and BOOM! buh-bye pvc residue!

I'm stoked

to give you all an idea of how much luster this puppy has, I used my IPHONE cam for these. Tonight I will take another set of microscope shots like the first set that started the thread to show the no longer present green monster

seeing luster, any thoughts of an AU coin here now?

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 Posted 02/22/2013  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
EF-45 in my book, with a fair chance at being slabbed problem-free. The new photos make the scratches more noticeable and surfaces look less original. Other than the removal of green spots, has the appearance of the coin really changed as much as the before-and-after photos suggest?
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 Posted 02/22/2013  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
thanks Jaobler. No, the appearance is spot on; its the photos making it appear as it does. the first set is a 400x microscope cam that really filters out the lighting source whereas the second set is a smartphone cam that allows the lighting source in more. Tonight I will do a repeat of the first series with some different lighting that will allow a better take on the coin...I think.

My question for you, why do you think the surfaces look less original? Do you suspect that at any point in time this coin was artificially toned? My experience, which I suspect is far less than yours, tells me that when you get the type of mottled crusty tarnish this coin actually has and can be seen under the aforementioned 400x zoom, that finish and appearance cannot be accomplished with any techniques a coin doctor would employ, i.e. sulfur from boiled egg yolk, oil/potato etc... Thoughts?
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 Posted 02/22/2013  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list
I am going say ef-au. Either way, really nice coin!
Nice job getting the green off!
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 Posted 02/22/2013  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
thanks to all of you for the comments and joining the discussion

last looks
head on scope cam
lighting to try and minimize glare and show surface detail
looks AU to me
i guess NGC will tell as this will be one my 5 I send with my signup



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 Posted 02/23/2013  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stringboogie to your friends list
looks like a well-struck au
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 Posted 02/23/2013  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list

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why do you think the surfaces look less original?

The Smartphone photos make all the high points (stars, hair curls, tips of eagle's feathers, arrowheads) appear much lighter than in the first photo set. By Smartphone camera the coin resembles pieces that have been aggressively cleaned. Apparently that is mainly an effect of the camera and lighting since your "last looks" images show a more balanced coin.

I see what looks like fairly obvious light wear on stars, turban, hair above the ear, talons, and olive leaves. The images don't show much if any luster but if significant luster remains perhaps it could squeak into an AU-50 holder. EF-45 still seems more likely.

I don't see any evidence that the coin has been artificially toned; many early silver coins show similar dark, crusty toning with lighter halos around features like the obverse stars.
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 Posted 02/23/2013  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
thanks for the feedback jaobler
and again to all of you
one day to be bumped in the slab with the outcome
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 Posted 02/25/2013  03:14 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
You did a nice job removing the contamination and this coin deserves a shot at TPG. I'd go XF45 with a shot at 50.
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 Posted 02/25/2013  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
wow, thank you BH and BIG shout out to Super Dave for the treatment process which led to those results. its off the NGC within a week or two with some others, I just need to figure which ones. I might send of my raw higher end Seated dimes that are bordering AU to MS and let the TPG decide their fate
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 Posted 04/17/2014  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
PCGS just gave this an EF45


BIG THANKS to SUPERDAVE for the conservation advice

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