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1795 Three Leaf Flowing Hair: Off Struck?

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 Posted 02/23/2013  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Can you read any lettering on the edge? How about measuring its diameter?
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 Posted 02/23/2013  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Certainly appears to be a B-5 BB-27 dollar though! The short die break to the left of the bust is hard to fake!
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 Posted 02/23/2013  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannie to your friends list
Yes, On edge and clear: "**ONE**DOLLAR**OR**UNI(two characters)***HUNDRED(five characters)**CENTS**(four characters) then back to beginning.

Dia: 40 mm
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 Posted 02/23/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsandcoins32 to your friends list
It seems to be a little too big. Dimeter should be 32.5mm
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 Posted 02/23/2013  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Not sure where that number comes from; these are 39-40mm.
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 Posted 02/23/2013  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Value will depend on grade, and any past damage or cleaning, which I'll leave to others, but regardless, you should really consider this coin a national treasure, nannie!
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 Posted 02/23/2013  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eklections to your friends list
This is actually supposed to be 39-40 mm in diameter. Here's a bit of information I found on this flowing hair coin.


Varieties listed are those most significant to collectors, but numerous minor variations may be found because each of the early dies was individually made. Blanks were weighed before the dollars were struck and overweight pieces were filed to remove excess silver. Coins showing old "adjustment marks" may be worth less than values shown here. Some Flowing Hair type dollars of 1795 ere weight-adjusted by inserting a small (8mm) silver plug in the center of the blank planchet before striking the coin. Values of variations not listed depend on collector interest and demand.

Designer: Robert Scot
Weight: 26.96 grams
Composition: .8924 silver, .1076 copper
Diameter; 39-40mm
Edge: HUNDRED CENTS ONE DOLLAR OR UNIT with decorations between words
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 Posted 02/23/2013  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
If not real it's at least an exceptionally deceptive counterfeit. I'd have this coin graded and authenticated by PCGS. If it makes a no-problem VF-20 grade (it looks better!) it should easily bring over $4,000 at auction. The off-center reverse strike may not add any premium but probably won't hurt the value.

For comparison, here's a PCGS VF-20 example that sold recently for $5462.50. It's a scarcer B-7 variety so its price might be a bit higher than your B-5 would bring. Your coin has a stronger reverse but the obverse quality usually carries more weight for grading.

PS: Good luck, and



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 Posted 02/23/2013  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsandcoins32 to your friends list
oops accidentally gave you the diameter for a flowing hair half sorry!
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 Posted 02/24/2013  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list

Wow! I don't see anything that would make me doubt the coin. The reverse still retains a good amount of detail in the wing feathers and wreath. The bust is worn with very little hair detail remaining. I think the coin grades F-12. There is a pair of scratches by the 13th star but given the location and age of the coin, I don't think it would keep it out of a problem free slab. PCGS would be my preference if you would to get this certified. Just last September, Heritage auction an example for in a PCGS F-12 holder for $3535. Your coin may be worth slightly more since that coin has two more distracting scratches in a worse location. It is a fantastic piece of American history!
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 Posted 02/24/2013  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list
I agree it is definitely worth having certified.
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 Posted 02/24/2013  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
to CCF! And PLEASE keep us updated on what you do with this coin.
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 Posted 02/24/2013  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannie to your friends list
Thank you all for your help and advice. We will have it certified. Will keep this community posted. We have some other coins we will post in the near future.

Thanks again.
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 Posted 02/24/2013  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rayman311 to your friends list
Really like your coin!

I'll split the difference between Jaobler and D0ubl3Eagle at F-15.

This one is 2 leaf variety and you can see that yours has more meat to the reverse than mine.

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 Posted 02/25/2013  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
great post of a classic early dollar! I'd go F15 to VF20 on this one, and sure looks good to me, though I'd want a cert. slab on any I was going to buy, and at the prices they are at that won't be anytime soon. The slight misalignment might keep it in the F15 grade range.
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