Chinese Replica 1930 Penny On Ebay

I can understand jamesmith's frustrations with Catch 22. Teaching newbs how to spot fakes also teaches the forgers how to fix their mistakes, the more the forgers learn means the more that potential buyers will need to learn to spot the fakes.
What happens when all the techniques that those of us are experts at are known to the forgers? Then there will be no reliable way to spot fakes and the only certain genuine coins are those with impeccable pedigrees (and slabbed by first tier graders).
Currently on ebay is a gVF 1930 penny, seller states 5th or 6th finest known (and it is a beauty), not the best images though (low res) but seller states Hi res available to genuine buyers, guess the seller doesn't want to educate the Chinese.
There was even an English reverse penny last week on ebay (looked genuine).
Must be some sellers that are trying to contact buyers but avoiding the high auction fees. A sign of the economy (or failed rare coin companies and their would be superannuation "investments")

Hi, I also reported that last week penny to eBay(newly discovered London die) because it was also a fake but it timed out before some one was stupid enough to bid. There were obvious problems with the penny, but the most worrying fact was one of the easy give aways in the date had been sorted. I think that and this listing is why I joined this forum- to try to get people aware, or assist in verifying.
As a rule of thumb newly discovered with 1930s coins ring alarm bells with me- not closed mind but alarm bells

this is the other fake I reported

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMAZINGLY-R...em3a82905aa8

Hi Unicorn
jamessmith has posted it ( ebay item no 251298601640).
I am no expert on that year (the only year I probably will never afford) so if James says it is a fake then I will defer to him. Like James the first thing I looked at was the date (it looks good), but the colour of the coin seems a bit off. So have the Chinese gotten better than their obvious fakes and if so why risk it on an English obverse when the Indian wouldn't raise as much suspicion?

Hi again I know of two I think still current Mint letters saying a London Obverse/London Reverse is correct. (have the dates written somewhere) Hearsay is a third was issued and later withdrawn, but hearsay is urban myth/ glorified gossip.
One Fact is that no 1930 penny was ever authenticated without the London Reverse.
This particular coin had a obviously bad "0" among other points.
At the moment the "0" in the 1930 is probably the second step in any over view, First step that bad 9. That defines it fake immediately, (but I still try to get a scan for future study if I have the coin in hand.) Regards the 0 it in fact has to be More O shape than 0 and with a bit of practice easier to pick than the better done 9s coming out.
All the other steps checks get progressively more time consuming, but now are made visually easier with scanners and magnification.
Attention to detail is the key.
Weight can be another clue. A dimensionally correct coin should weigh in in a very close tolerance to spec. If the dimensions are right and the weight is badly out it means a different composition of metals.
One Adelaide expert- and I defer to him, as I do to the many other "real coin experts"-- I am just a very dedicated observer of detain in my narrow field of passion-- picked a bad coin by the tone of its ring when if was dropped. That was enough to tell him there needed to be more precise checks done to see why.
Every one can become good at picking most fakes, and I am first to suggest going to a Professional of good repute when big $s are at stake if you feel uncomfortable with your own judgment.

Yesterday I was lucky enough to see one of the 3 certified English obverse 1930 pennies. Resides with some other STUNNING coins.

definately not a 1920 replaced with a 3. I appreciate your additional info on CBL etc!

My thoughts are that this is just another Chinese Die to beware of.

Out of curiosity, what was the grade?