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Coin Auctions (Not Ebay).....are They Really Worth The Time?

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 Posted 10/18/2013  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add qbvbsite to your friends list
Scotts as a new member I believe you shouldn't be posting your ebay account...
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 Posted 10/18/2013  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add medaldetector to your friends list
The emphasis here seems to be on the "cost" of buying mostly generic coins readily available at dealers' tables or ebay. What about the lost opportunity cost when avoiding auctions just because of fees? Collecting with purpose / research is much different than speculating on grading points and finding "bargins" below Trends. The scarcer stuff usually turns up at auction......cost is secondary here to availability and historical interest.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list

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The scarcer stuff usually turns up at auction......cost is secondary here to availability and historical interest.


Exactly. I'm currently waiting to receive a coin I bought in an auction last Wednesday.

Between 1999 and now I know of only twelve others like it that have come up for sale. Three were on ebay (all real poor quality), two from a dealer and the rest were all auction house sales.

That's why I buy at auction.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
I don't think auctions are a waste of time. Even if one doesn't by anything, they still get to look at all those shiny (and non-shiny) coins.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Superhal to your friends list
Never used any except coin shop. I should have used ebay though, my coin shop is kind of a ripoff.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ningcumpoop to your friends list
0% auction house....5% dealers.....5% circulation.....90% ebay. As time goes on, ebay will be used less as I want to get better quality so I will use the dealers/auctions more.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list
Mom and Pop, brick and mortar coin shops are soon to be a thing of the past. More major coin dealer that once owned a walk in coin shop with a full display of Collector coins are soon to be a thing of years gone by. Dealers in the near future will be speaking to customers by appointment only, you'll have a limited time to sell or make buys of coins that you have interest in.
Dealers are now seeing the money Coin auctions are bringing in (via 20% buyers premiums). Three major dealers I've spoken to in the past 5 years have confirmed my above mentioned writings and feel it is a greater venue to list on icollector.com / ebay / or their own private website to make sales.
One dealer I spoke to this week said, "Glenn, if I had a $2,000.00 coin in a brick/mortar store, it would take 5 years to sell it. Whereas, here on the Net, I can do it in a matter of weeks".

Glenn
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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
Very true Glenn.

We used to have a ton of coin shops in the Toronto area.

Now there's just a scattering of them. (one rather large one that's prevalent on the Shopping Channel).
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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
There is a new coin store opening up in Toronto... in November...
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 Posted 10/18/2013  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list
Where?

Toronto proper is 630 km^2 :)
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 Posted 10/18/2013  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
I have to agree with Glenzy and his comments on local shops. Except in Victoria BC where there are seven count em seven shops serving 300k population, they are going the way of the dodo bird. I had a shop for years and expensive coins took forever to sell at a local level. Not having a shop is certainly the way to go these days and personally I have NEVER done better! We sell lots of better stuff at shows and on ebay at a decent markup. The only advantage to a shop is you have an advantage to buy from the public.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lesinwestvan to your friends list
Back in the early 90's I owned a collectibles store (coins, stamps, sportscards and comics) in Oshawa and I can tell you from experience that higher end items were nice to have but just sat there. Very hard to move. The cost of rent, product, bills etc. made it near impossible to stay in the business.

I am now online and the difference is night and day. When I list coins on ebay I'm reaching millions of buyers at once and the turn around is pretty quick. Much different then the potential 30-40 people that would walk into my store in a day.

I often smile when I see people gripe about the costs of fees for auction houses, ebay, Paypal etc. I will pay those fees any day opposed to a rent or lease of over $1500 a month to sell 1/10 of the product I can sell online. The more fees I'm paying for on ebay and Paypal, the more I'm selling. Unfortuately with my store, I had to pay much higher "fees" even if I didn't make the sales.

I have to agree that I can't see the smaller Mom & Pop stores lasting in this day and age. It's unfortunate as I love to walk into a coin store and shop, but as a buyer and a seller I have the world at my finger tips online.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list
Reading ebay seller forums the "do not return" doesn't wash if a buyer opens a not as described case. What will happen is Paypal will refund the money, and the buyer IS NOT required to return the item. After reading a discussion thread concerning returns and item not as described cases, I changed my setting to accept returns. Also just because you say you accept returns, you are still able to reject the request. It is all kind of confusing, but I've spent a lot of time reading the different buyer. & seller ebay forums, it's very educational.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list
I was responding to Scott's Canadian coins comment regarding disclaimers and settings in ebay auctions that state no returns. When buying and selling on ebay always know how the rules are applied.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scotts Canadian Coins to your friends list
Yes, there are lots of horror stories on the forums, just like when you read reviews / forums for any product or service, mostly you get the "negative" reported.

The vast majority of ebay transactions take place without a hitch.

Unfortunately there are some unscrupulous sellers with little or no ethics doing business on ebay that look to take advantage of buyers.

Many of these are in the category of sellers of coins.

It's really frustrating to watch novice buyers who are new to the hobby of collecting get scammed.

Here are some ideas to help prevent this:

• Buy only from sellers who have an established track record that shows a history of excellent feedback.

• Be carefull about falling prey to the "lure of shiny objects" some coins sold by some sellers have been polished or "whizzed" to make them appear more shiny -- this is not true lustre, and in fact damages the coin and greatly reduces it's actual value as a collectible.

• Do not make purchases on a listing unless it offers no-questions-asked full money refunds.

• By all means... DO NOT leave positive feedback if you are unhappy with your purchase (you'd be surprised how many unsatisfied buyers are reluctant to leave neg feedback) -- help to warn other prospective buyers if you have bought a coin that you don't think is as good as was described / pictured.

• BOTTOM LINE - " If it sounds too good to be true... it is! " :)

Scott's Canadian Coins
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