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Rest in Peace
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looks like someone 'bought it now'. I had asked the seller how much the coin weighed and would have made an offer it the weight was right, but I guess he has a 14 day return policy. Anyway, I wonder if someone on here bought it - sure hope to see it someday slabbed!
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Pillar of the Community
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What am I missing? The seller describes it as incused. It doesn't look incused, does it?
I can't come up with a scenario for US mint production of this coin.
I kinda hope I'm wrong.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't think it looked incused.
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Rest in Peace
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The lighting/shadows sure indicate that it is not incuse.
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I'm no blazing genius, but I would think that if this was a genuine mint error the Seller would have had this coin slabbed and authenticated. The Seller sells a lot of slabbed errors and I would think he would know that the value of such a genuine error would be in the thousands of dollars. People are not stupid. After reading the listing again I think the Seller KNOWS it is not a genuine error and is just probably trying to pass his mistake off on someone else. The Buyer is hoping its genuine and I think he is going to be severely disappointed in a few weeks when he hears back from the grading company.
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That's my opinion and you can take it and $1 and get any size drink at your local Micky D's!
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Bedrock of the Community
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The lighting/shadows sure indicate that it is not incuse. Look at the bust truncation. If the design were incuse, it wouldn't cast a shadow in the fields since it would be recessed.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm going to assume the seller can tell that the coin is incuse on both sides. Now it is impossible for both dies to become capped. If you can manage to get both dies capped one will be capped by a normal coin and the other will be capped with a brockage and any coin struck between these dies will also appear to be a brockage, and will almost certainly also be a partial collar. This is simple a blank planchet that has been squeezed between two normal coins. A hammer job. Possibly a very old one (who today is going to hammer a couple of near mint Indian Head cents?) but still something made post mint. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yeah...ignoring my confusion over the shadows, this ^ is the most likely scenario--and it explains the raised marks in the fields.
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The seller clearly disclaimed the nature of the coin, suggesting *if* done at the Mint, it was deliberate on the part of a worker as well as theorizing about how. Can't blame him in any fashion.
Except for the word "incuse," which he used erroneously. It's a physical impossibility for lighting to illuminate a true incuse coin in that fashion.
Now, if some surreptitious scoundrel were to strike a planchet with a pair of hubs somehow....
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Pillar of the Community
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Now, if some surreptitious scoundrel were to strike a planchet with a pair of hubs somehow.... Counterfeit and struck with hubs instead of dies then? Possible it came out of a Chinese counterfeiters den? Cause that what I've been thinking all along. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Pillar of the Community
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The larger date is very suggestive of the Chinese counterfeits.
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't know and probably never will know what's going on with this coin.
I'm leaning towards the accam's razor school of thought.
If it is incuse I'll guess it's a hammer job.
If it is not incuse I'll guess fake dies.
What ever it is it is very interesting.
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Pillar of the Community
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My vote is for fantasy piece. The details are too mushy in some spots (the tips of the feathers) and do not look worn. When compared to DVcollector's images, the letters are much thicker.  |
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Whatever it is, it didn't come out of the Mint.
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