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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I must be getting old, but I read your post title as some else completely.
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Valued Member
United States
87 Posts |
You can't have ancient coin pros without coin cons right? Couldn't resist  I used to go to the CICF in the Chicago area, and many of the dealers had ancients.
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Valued Member
 United States
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lol! Okay okay. I'm use to "cons" from going to comic cons... Transformer cons... Xena cons. lol. I guess it's Professional Numismatic Shows. :)
So it sounds like it'd be fairly easy to find a few dealers at a show with ancient coins. But should I be looking for dealers that lifetime guarantee their coins aren't fake?
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Moderator
 United States
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Ancient coins are a specific area of collecting so unless a dealer at a coin show only sells ancients he probably is only going to know a little more about them than you do. Dealers in the US concentrate of US coins so they know them. They don't really spend a lot of time learning about ancients. So unless the coin is slabbed by a known TPG (PCGS or NGC) they most likely will not give you a life time guarantee.
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Valued Member
United States
87 Posts |
One of the best ways to avoid fakes is to educate yourself by studying both real and counterfeit ancients. Having coins in hand is better than a photo, but I've made real use of the wealth of reference material online. This forum also has many great threads to learn from.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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The Chicago International Coin Fair (CICF) is a great place to visit. Many of the dealers there handle ancient coins and some of the big boys (Harlan Berk, CNG, Freeman & Sear) attend. There are also a lot of dealers in world coins.
I'm fortunate to live two hours north of Chicago and have gone annually since 2000. It makes for a great day. Some dealers still have pick bins, although they're not nearly as many of them as in the past.
I believe the dates are April 10-13.
In 2008 I plucked an EF Hanniballianus AE-4 out of a $10 pick bin. It's still the best find of my life.
Paul Bulgerin
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Valued Member
 United States
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Yeah that's exactly what I am afraid of. I feel like going to a show will be too above my head at this point, which stinks.
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Valued Member
 United States
53 Posts |
April 10th huh? :) I hope to be out in Michigan to get my airplane in the beginning of April. Not sure I can be away that long though. Hmmmm!
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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You don't have to actually buy anything, you could go and just handle them and talk to the dealers, it would be an eduction. Nothing like that where I live :)
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3098 Posts |
My daughter, who is now 27, has come with me to CICF for years. Of all of our trips there the one incident that stands out most in my mind was a number of years ago when one of the dealers from Freeman & Sear told her to hold out her hand and in it he placed a huge Constantine I silver medallion from the establishment of Constantinople.
If I remember correctly the medallion, which Constantine would have most likely held in his own hand when he presented it back in 330 AD, was for sale for $250,000.
It was so kind of him to let a teenage girl get to hold such a numismatic treasure, a piece Constantine the Great himself would have handled. I remember telling her that what she was holding cost a whole lot more than our house!
Looking is half the fun at a show like this and you can see some amazing things.
Paul Bulgerin
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thank you, y'all for the help & advice. It sounds worth going to a show to see the ancient coins. I think there's one in PA that's fairly large too. I may just go later on. Especially if somebody put a Constantine coin in my hand for a minute!! :) Talk about wicked cool.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Red Hope, I have been a collector for 50 years and I ALWAYS feel that a coin show is over my head! Be brave. Some sponsors will provide a list of dealers who will attend. If a dealer says 'ancient coins' in his listing then you will have a heads up. Perhaps, with a link, could work out a request to bring certain coins along to the show. Dealers are happy to work with collectors. MOST of them! In any event, go to a show and get a baptism by fire.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Baptism by fire! Wohoo. You talked me into it. :)
I popped into one briefly, years ago in Ocean City, Maryland. My mom was with me, and we weren't there for it anyway but happen to visit it quickly. It really sounds like it would be a positive learning experience. I get concerned at times with going to those types of things because I am a young female. Generally, most guys are gentlemen, but I've had... interesting things said to me at times.
Anybody know of a good website that lists the shows? Or just googling for them is sufficient?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Best to google "coin shows [your state.]" If you are near a border, google that state as well. ANY male who does not respect you deserves NOT your patronage! Find a female dealer and chat about your concerns. Happily, it is less and less a males only hobby. Be strong. Be brave. Have some fun. Go to a show without expectations and have a look see. Bring just enough money to buy a coin or two, but no more. The sooner you get your feet wet, the sooner you will be a swimmer!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Getting into ancient coins and understanding them properly can be difficult.
It can involve some extensive reading first. I borrowed all the books I could find on ancient coins from my local library, and even used the inter library loan system. I appreciated that a grounding in knowledge is very useful but NOT essential if making a start.
The first five serious years of my numismatic experience did not involve ancient coins at all. That time was spent building a very nice type set of Australian coins. Having completed that, I asked myself: 'What can I collect that is impossible to complete as a set that would consume my (by then) well established numismatic interest?' It dawned on me that ancient coins offered such a challenge.
My first ancient coin was a denarius of Antoninus Pius, with the modius and corn ears reverse. I paid $4.50 for it. That was way back in 1973. The rest, you may say, is numismatic history.
In recent years I have built a quite extensive collection of fake ancient coins, to be studied for my own education, in learning on how to identify them. There are some very good books available on the subject, and some very good data bases on fake ancient coins to which the collector can refer for comparison, and warning.
Experience is your best defense but there is always friends within the CCF that are always prepared to share what they know on fake ancient coins. There a few simple tests that can be applied, and there a few of us that are lucky enough to have access to some very sophisticated analysis techniques.
For pricey coins always buy from a dealer or collector that has an a well establish and internationally recognized reputation, and if at all possible always inspect the coin 'in hand' first before buying.
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