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Valued Member
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Always hard asking the value of a coin on the forum. I find it to be the taboo question. Without a value it's like a hockey pool with no points.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not taboo...just hard to say.
My 2013 Charlton says $400 in AU55 for upset dies; no values for lower grades. I don't know how they came up with a range of catalogue values for such a scarce coin.
ICCS would not certify that as upset dies; they would call it rotated. Buyers would likely not pay as much for 167 degrees as for 180.
One that I recall was 180 degrees was sold a couple of years back by a dealer who occasionally posted on another now-nearly-dead coin web site. I think he asked $1500 for his and presumably got less.
Kind of hard to say what it is worth. My guess would be $200 to $500 but it would totally depend on the luck of the auction.
Edited by Smallcentguy
04/19/2014 12:28 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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you have to remember coin scavenger that errors or worth what error collectors are willing to pay. Because each one is unique, it's hard to put a true price to it. I would pay $10 for a 45 degree, $20 for a 90 degree and maybe up to $40 for yours. the 60's are full of die rotations so if it was a different decade maybe worth even more. that is what it is worth to me. cheers.
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$200-500? well that proves it! I'm cheap!! lol
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Pillar of the Community
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There was a 1967 nickel upset die graded by ICCS PL6? sold by TCNC in March sale for 3500.00 plus juice and HST. I have a 1989 dime ICCS ms 63 upset die so ICCS does grade some errors.
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1984 Posts |
Sorry for not being clear. ICCS will grade this but it will only call a coin "upset dies" if the rotation is precisely 180 degrees. So at 167 degrees this one will just be called "rotated".
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PRECISELY?
The press wasn't set to coinage axis, right?
Are these improperly setup but fixed rototations, or something rotating producing all sorts of rotated examples? I had always assumed the latter.
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't think that this is the result of improperly set up dies. ICCS looks for a precise 180 degree rotation as an indicator or improperly set up dies. Of course you could also get that rotation randomly from loose equipment rotation as well. In the cents series, there seem to be a reasonable number of coins around with rotations of say 85 to 170 degrees and a good number also where rotations are say 190+ degrees. There was a 1964 cent up on ebay for a while recently that had a rotation in the same ballpark as this 5 cent coin. Maybe one of the mint's machines was wearing out in 1964! While there are a good number of large rotations, there are very few around at 180 precisely. Also, a number of those that are at exactly 180 degrees are of the same date (1944), which probably suggests that these resulted from improperly set up dies rather than random rotation. |
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Pillar of the Community
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ICCS would grade it upset dies if is from 165 degrees to 195 degrees off centre. The coin you speak SCG sold for over 1200.00 The dies were lose hence the clock rotation.
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I have a 1964 nickel 90% rotation, my guess is there was a loose set screws and the die naturally rotated and created these cool coins.
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1984 Posts |
I have had ICCS refuse to say upset dies on Two Cents that were contenders for upset dies--one is around say 170 and is around say 190. Maybe I should get you to send them to ICCS for me...it seems sometimes they will do things for some and not for others. I also have a couple of cents that are in the 85 to 95 degree area that they would not call quarter rotated. |
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ICCS has no consistency. To be called coinage alignment, the obverse must fall within the 165 to 195 degrees up-set to the reverse. Not 180 and only 180......accepted alignment is 15 degrees either way for in tolerance. Send your coins to PCGS or CCCS. They both understand this.
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Yeah....I have one that is CCCS "upset dies" which I wanted to cross grade to ICCS but they called it "rotated". It makes for an interesting example of grading inconsistency.
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Die nomenclature is NOT an example of grading inconsistency , has nothing to do with coin grading at all! Upset dies are rotated dies of approx. but not necessarily 180 degrees of die rotation
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Pacificoin,
I am sorry that it was not obvious to you that I meant inconsistent practices by grading companies, not inconsistent grading.
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