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Regarding the 1916-D dime: there seems to be a flattened look to the rim at about 4 o'clock on the obverse, also visible at 2 o'clock on the reverse. It looks like damage to me. At the AG-3 or G-4 level, PCGS might slab the coin even with the obverse scratch, but I would worry about that flattened rim. Regarding PCGS and cleaning: they specifically told me their policy was to first check for cleaning, on any coin. If they determine it is cleaned, they body-bag it without any further inspection. They will NOT give you an authenticity opinion if they first decide it is cleaned. A bit of a rip-off, I'd say, but that's how they want to run their shop...  I'll venture some grading guesses after I spend some more time studying Dave's terrific photos!  |
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OK, here's how I'd call the grades. 1877-S Trade dollar: Unc details, cleaned; no grade. Looks genuine. 1885 Indian cent: MS-62 BN. Downgraded due to carbon spots. 1928 Peace dollar: AU-50. 1878 Morgan: MS65 if cracked out and submitted raw. I'd bet it will not upgrade if submitted in the slab. 2006 ASE: PR-69 DCAM. 1916-D Mercury dime: G-04 if it slabs. I expect a no-grade due to rim damage. 1939-D Jefferson: Either AU-58 or MS-64+. I can't tell if slight rub is present. 1963-D Franklin: MS-64, no FBL. 1856 Large cent: MS-63 BN. 1864 2-cent large motto #1 (trdhrdr007): AU-50. 1880-S Morgan: MS-64. 1864 2-cent large motto #2 (nohope587): MS-64 BN. 1864 2-cent large motto #3 (nohope587): AU-58 RB. 1865 2-cent: MS-60 BN. 1914-D Lincoln Cent: VF-20. Looks a bit glossy; possible no grade due to cleaning. Looks genuine. 1883 Shield nickel: MS-63. Light hairlines hopefully are not severe enough to get a no-grade. 1881 3-cent nickel: MS-63. 1846 dime: VG-10 details. I expect a no-grade due to what looks like an attempted puncture at star #6. 1922 Grant half dollar: MS-63. 1878 Morgan 8TF: MS-63. 1952 Washington quarter: MS-65. If Dave sends it to NGC I'm hoping for a star. 1837 No Stars Half Dime: AU-58. I'm a bit concerned about possible no-grade either due to cleaning or if the rim pinch visible at 9:00 on the obverse is judged to be post-mint damage. 1855 Large cent: AU-55. Slight chance of no grade due to cleaning. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it! Edited by Jaobler
09/02/2007 01:10 am
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Ok I guess I had better try even though I only know a little about one type of coin in the group. 1877-S Trade dollar body bag cleaned 1885 Indian cent MS63rb 1928 Peace dollar MS60 1878 Morgan MS64 2006 ASE PR-69 DCAM. 1916-D Mercury dime Body bag 1939-D Jefferson MS62 1963-D Franklin No Clue what so ever 1856 Large cent MS63bn 1864 2-cent (trdhrdr007): AU-53. 1880-S Morgan MS64pl 1864 #2 (nohope587): MS63bn 1864 #3 (nohope587): MS60bn Maybe body bag cleaned 1865 MS61bn 1914-D Lincoln Cent body bag 1883 Shield nickel Don't know 1881 3-cent nickel ms64 1846 dime VG8 1922 Grant half dollar MS61. 1878 Morgan 8TF MS63 1952 Washington quarter MS66 1837 No Stars Half Dime: Body bag but I hope not 1855 Large cent Au53 |
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Just wondering if Dave had heard anything from PCGS, or had an idea when we might find out our grades!  |
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Bumped to the top with results and comments. Guys, if you've read this far without checking your email, check it.  |
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does pcgs return money for non graded coins?
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does pcgs return money for non graded coins?
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I could see some of the reasons why PCGS body bagged a few of them items here (the 1916 dime) but for some of the others I can't. I think that they're sometimes so into upholding their reputation that if they get a coin that they feel might be questionable to others, they're just body bag it.
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Dave thank you again for all the work you did.
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 After looking over all of the submissions to PCGS, I have decided to never have anything graded by them again. I kind of expected the 1916 D, not to grade. I was extremely dissapointed to see my 1939 D, receive a grade of AU55. Plus out of all the submissions there were 9 BB. Something is wrong here. I feel that almost every coin received a much lower grade than they should have.  After reviewing the results for a while, I have decided to resubmit the 1916 D to ANACS. If they determine it was tooling, they will still ecapsulate it with that reason. I will most likely rid myself of the Merc by selling it on ebay in the near future. I don't want a problem coin in my collection, plus I can put the money towards the purchase of an AG-3 1916 Standing Liberty quarter. I prefer it ecapsulated with the reason for the damage, than not to be ecapsulated at all. The 1939 D will most likely get resubmitted to NGC. I am not satisfied with the grade it received. I was speechless when I saw the grade it received.  Once again, I think we should all give Dave a special thanks, for doing all this work. It was well appreciated.  |
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The rubbing of salt into the wound by giving the 2 Cent I traded 2 points higher than I would have given it kind or makes me even more upset about my results. I kind or agree with the AU58 they gave the one coin that did not get body bagged. I bought it on ebay for a little less than AU money as it was in a little known Canadian grading services holder they called it MS60. The other 64 should have easily made it into the MS range as for the 65 I don't care what PCGS say its going back into my MS fold regardless. Thanks Dave for doing this again. As with all things in life you win some you loose some. The upgrades on the last submission more than make up for this one. |
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AU 55 works for me, I guess. The seller on ebay claimed it was MS62+. Did I believe them? Not really... Local coin shop said it was a XF at best. So AU 55 works. Does anyone think it would grade better in a NGC slab? Sorry for the bad news, everyone. I guess you win some and lose some. But you keep on fighting! Ty |
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I can't complain about the grades my coins received. I thought my 2 cent was closer to an AU50-53. I was hoping the Large Cent would get into the MS range, but thought it was more likely to run AU58. I was surprised by some of the other grades & the large amount of body bagged coins. I think it would be interesting to see how some of those came out if resubmitted, or sent to another TPG. Once again, thanks to SuperDave for putting in all the time & effort that goes with making up a group submission. |
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After a long weekend trip to Colorado, I check my email and find that the grades are in. I was not surprised at all to find that the Trade dollar was body-bagged, I was 99% sure that it would be. I am fine with this as it was expected, and my main concern was to make sure of the authenticity, because I would not feel comfortable selling a fake coin, and I plan to sell this one to get some other coins for the collection. As for my indianhead, what earth makes them think that the color is questionable? It looks very natural to me. If there was something done to the color I think that it would have been done to eliminate the carbon spots on the coin. I just can't get over this and I am very disappointed. I actually read Dave's email 3 times, to make sure that I read it right. I haven't looked at most of the other coins, but I will say that there is no way on earth that the 1837 1/2 dime should have been body-bagged. That's an all natural beauty there. Anyway, this has given me some thoughts about PCGS job in grading these coins that I don't think are fit to post on a family-friendly forum. I appreciate all of Dave's hard work in this venture, and thank him for the submission and awesome pictures. Thanks for your time and effort Dave! |
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Just had a chance to look at these on the site, Dave. The 1846 Dime does not surprise me but I had hoped that with the low mintage they might be kind to it, nope. The nickel was obvious but was worth the try. I could not be happier with the 1914-d Lincoln and it makes the effort more than worthwhile. More importantly, thank you so very much for the great pics of the coins. I hope they mean as much to the others as they do to me, I could never create the quality that you have. And, your effort with this is absolutely exemplar. I am not sure if the forum appreciates what you do for it, but I do.
Thanks again, Dave.
Jim
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