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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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how to tell real chopmark from fake? I mean, even I can make a chopmark!
I'm Chinese so if I stamp a coin, does that make it a real chopmark because it's done by a Chinese person?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A genuine chop would have come from a Chinese or South East Asian shroff (money changer) primarily during the late 18th century through 19th century. Their ability to detect counterfeits was limited to their familiarity with the particular Trade dollar and the quality of their measurements for weight and specific gravity. Our CCF colleague, swamperbob, asserts that many high-quality portrait 8 reales restrikes were sent to China so it's likely many of these were chopped, too.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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A chopmark coin does not necessarily mean that the original host coin is genuine. I have seen chopmarked coins that are not genuine.
There is no straight forward answer to identifying counterfeits as counterfeiters will use anything to fool you to think it's genuine. The moment someone puts tips on how to identify counterfeits, they can read this and find solutions to counter it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sometimes they cast fake coins with chopmarks already on them, those are much easier to identify.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's getting so the counterfeiters will be copying other counterfeited coins. So does a counterfeited counterfeit still be considered a fake? Or is it just a counterfeited copy?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1215 Posts |
what does this look like?  real or fake? chopmark is real? Or coin is real? Or both?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1215 Posts |
looks like it reads ding on the front. Ding is 46th most common surname in the PRC
Edited by 0xDA71D 08/25/2014 11:22 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1666 Posts |
Just graffiti, sorry. Not chopmarks.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1215 Posts |
does this coin look real?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1215 Posts |
 That's a chopmark. I know because it reads in Chinese
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
3831 Posts |
I would highly recommand you to read up on the history of chopmarks.
Chopmarks are essentially a mean for merchants to test whether the coin has silver content in it or plated silver or debased silver. This was their means of testing for counterfeit.
You may see examples with little to multiple chopmarks. As of why there was a need to do multiple chopmarks, merchants back then have already realized that having some chopmarks on coins do not mean a thing to them - they still have to physically test it to find out if they are indeed genuine or not.
This applies to all types of silver including smaller silver denomination although you would find chopmarks on smaller denomination coins a lot less common.
Personally I take them as damaged coins. Some find it collectable; I buy them only if the price is right.
As to answer if the above coin is genuine or not, standard test still apply. Couple of questions one should ask is the weight of the coin and how the edge looks like. Chances are, it's likely to be genuine but you can never be sure when you are dealing with such coins.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would consider the mark on that coin as graffiti, not as a chopmark. Here is a nice example of a chop marked coin, perhaps 0xDA71D could tell us the meaning of the chops (assuming they are Chinese which they may not be since many Asian countries chop marked coins).  
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month.
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New Member
United States
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Hi everyone, Along the lines of chop marked silver coins. I have a British Trade dollar 1902 B. I am considering to purchase this coin. The chopmarks look authentic enough, but the problems I have with the coin are on the obverse to the left of the "O" in DOLLAR there is a raised line running straight up to the rim. The "O" in ONE also seems to be too fat and uneven on the left side. Are these problems a sign of counterfeiting? Thanks for all your opinions!  
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