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Valued Member
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Wasn't there copies of that coin that were given out or sold for like tokens? I'm asking because I have one and I have no doubt that it has to be a copy and its made of pewter I think.
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Pillar of the Community
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None were officially issued for circulation. But, tantalizingly, some seem to have gotten out there, at the time
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Or carried as curiosity pieces..given to certain elected officials.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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United States
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Based on my very limited knowledge of pewter....you can melt this stuff in your kitchen oven (350-450 degrees) it seems an inappropriate metal for coining. This is a casting metal. To me anything made of pewter screams of contemporary counterfeit...but I am no expert. My amateur gut tells me that any pewter coins of this era were smartly made copies in hopes of fooling the holder that they were silver coins. Again...just my nonfactual amateurish perspective. I was lucky enough growing up to live near a pewter shop and I never saw anything made of the stuff ever be made other than by casting and then later engraving. Cast, bend, engrave, polish was the standard procedure for everything they made.
Edited by unholyroller 12/10/2014 11:04 pm
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I will tell you this. I have handled pewter and it is very soft.. You could easily bend this coin in half.
Having said that, this coin was attributed to die characteristics of the Newman 1-A Dotted rings die. I believe it's the real deal.
BTW, VF Details could be a soft strike contributing to the soft metal giving it more of the appearance of more than actual circulation.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Valued Member
United States
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Like I said before, there is no doubt in my mind that mine is a copy, just not sure when it was made or copied let alone when or who passed them out. Here is mine with the paper that is with it. 
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Yup, the bumpy, uneven appearance of your coin and the color..puts it no doubt a cast copy.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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United States
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I am eager for a brief education here. When they attribute a coin to a certain die, am I wrong in thinking that of someone made a copy of an actual coin that it would have the same die attributes as the original?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wonder if this means there is a 1-B in pewter.....somewhere.... 
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Pillar of the Community
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Wow that is huge find and news...thanks for posting bobby.
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New Member
United States
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Hmmm, wonder how much that will go for?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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These were always out of my price range even in the good old days and therefore never analyzed any but they probably have antimony, copper and/or bismuth with the high tin to harden the metal for striking/circulation.
I see antimony common with many so-called tin metals. All these three elements: Sb,Cu and Bi have this hardening properties with pewter.
John Lorenzo Numismatist United States
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Very cool! Quote: Notice of an official coinage appeared in the June 27, 1776 issue of the New York Journal Not sure if the above is correct. Eric P Newman & Maureen Levine write the following in the July 2014 edition of The Numismatist: "To date, no official resolutions or records regarding its [Continental Dollar's] authorization or minting have been discovered....The words 'pewter dollars' in "The Congratulation" [a poem] by Loyalist poet Jonathan Odell, represent the earliest printed mention of the 1776 Continental Dollar... published November 6, 1779, in New York's Royal Gazette."
Edited by TJsCoins 12/12/2014 3:51 pm
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Quote: I am eager for a brief education here. When they attribute a coin to a certain die, am I wrong in thinking that of someone made a copy of an actual coin that it would have the same die attributes as the original?
Yes, you're exactly right. However, the die features involved don't lend themselves well to duplication. Too small - little die scratches, cracks, doubling, things like that. They're usually easy to catch if you have the counterfeit in-hand.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Notice of an official coinage appeared in the June 27, 1776 issue of the New York Journal It would be important to know exactly what the notice said. As far as I know there is nothing offical in any government records. And the New York Journal would have to describe the coinage. It might be referring to something else.
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