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 but I've always wondered how true that survival estimate really is... |
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I think it makes F-12. Old cleaning, since retoned, very common on these (I have an 1890-CC in almost the exact same grade and with the same color/patina), still market acceptable. Very nice Key-Date CC!  Edited by zxcccxz
04/25/2015 8:44 pm
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NGC has it at F12, I have it as a top-end G10 which probably ought to get the benefit of the doubt. Or, that's what it says here anyway. As usual, I have zero clue of the meaning of Mr. Dave's message. Just looking for honest grade opinions, nothing more. Will post grade later. Thanks Edited by Night-Hawk
04/26/2015 03:42 am
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As usual, I have zero clue of the meaning of
Mr. Dave's message. Then I'm failing. You asked us to offer grade opinions, and I did (albeit forgetting the "V" in the front of "VG10"). I offered the opinion that NGC holds the coin two numbers higher than I do, although I think it pretty good for a VG10. That's the standard procedure for answering what you asked - give an idea what the TPG thought, and your personal opinion if it disagrees. |
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I think it is either F-12 or F-15.
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Like Cascade said I don't understand where they come up with these surviving examples numbers
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It has to do with TPG submitions primarily I believe but the numbers are corrupt due to cracking and resubing already slabbed coins for higher grades to the same or another TPG. It makes for a flimsy foundation on a numerical house of cards. Purely speculative... If I'm wrong or someone can elaborate please do |
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One opinion on the 89CC from http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explore...coinid-17190The 1889-CC Morgan dollar was one of the lower mintage issues of the entire series, with just 350,000 coins produced. All of them were struck during the last three months of the year, with monthly production of 100,000 coins in October and November, and 150,000 coins in December. Many other less famous dates had lower mintages, but Goe explains that the many 1889-CC silver dollars met an early demise: "For unknown reasons, approximately 250,000 to 325,000 1889-CC silver dollars were eventually melted, securing this date as one of the keys to a set of Morgan dollars." |
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I offered the opinion that NGC holds the coin two numbers higher than I do, although I think it pretty good for a VG10.
Ok, Thanks for the clarification SD, you have it at VG10. I'm more interested in the CCF members opinion of the coin, seems there is often prejudice when folks see those NGC "dog ears" on a pic that the coin is overgraded.. For example on this 79CC I posted the other day.. Most of the CCF members had this one at VG10. I thought it was VG10. PCGS had it at VG10.  Now I have this 89CC.. Has much better details IMHO. I have it at F12. Will see what the consensus at CCF has it at.  |
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VG10
I'm a very conservative grader.
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Easy F-12 by either NGC or PCGS. Possibly F-15. There's a lot of meat left on this Morgan. No way is this a VG-10.
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Go over those two dates, line by line. I just did, and the only differences I saw were specks in the cotton bolls, leaves and wheat kernels. And they're specks in an unimportant area, grading-wise. Maybe the eagle's lower right leg, but only maybe because that's a really low-contrast area on the 1879. Once you get the difference in color and contrast out of your mind, they're as close to identical as I've ever seen two Morgans. I was actually sort of flabbergasted at how close they were, line by line.
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Go over those two dates, line by line. I just did, and the only differences I saw were specks in the cotton bolls, leaves and wheat kernels. And they're specks in an unimportant area, grading-wise. Maybe the eagle's lower right leg, but only maybe because that's a really low-contrast area on the 1879. Once you get the difference in color and contrast out of your mind, they're as close to identical as I've ever seen two Morgans. I was actually sort of flabbergasted at how close they were, line by line. Now that you mention it. I've got to agree with you. The color and slightly deeper strike of the 89 does make it look like a higher grade, but details wise they are almost identical. That said, I still think they are both textbook F-12's. |
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