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Someone Doesn't Understand What A "Details" Grade Is

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 Posted 05/20/2015  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
@ Tryna

I think you might be looking at the regular strike version http://m.numismedia.com/cgi-bin/coi...de2=pricesms

The one being sold is one of the "specimen" strikes that were on polished blanks. Thus the attribution of "polished" on the ANACS slab. It's estimated that only 50 of these were struck. I don't think you'll find these specimen strikes on any of the typical online price guide pages.

BStrauss3 linked to the info on this rarity above but I'll post it again. http://boards.collectors-society.co...9163&fpart=3

More info here http://www.coinfacts.com/commemorat...rochelle.htm

and here http://typesets.wikidot.com/1938-ne...-anniversary

and here http://legendaryauctions.com/lot-65213.aspx


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 Posted 05/20/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
OK, I'll be the first to admit commems are not my area of expertise. This IS in a details slab.
Wouldn't ANACS specify this special addition on the holder?
Why does the reverse appear like a MS strike and only the obverse looks like any problem silver polished coin I've ever seen?
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 Posted 05/20/2015  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
Even if it is rare, he still should have acknowledged the fact that it has a 'details' grade.
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 Posted 05/20/2015  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
You mean kind of like this?


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 Posted 05/20/2015  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list

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Julian (Julian Leidman, look him up because he's going into every numismatic Hall of Fame there is when he's gone) is just telling it like it is. It's up to the buyer to understand, and it sure looks clear to me. He's ensuring that the fact it's a Details grade - and why - appears in the title of the auction.

Due diligence, guys. You wouldn't have posted the thread if you knew who he was.


For anyone interested here's a little info on Julian


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 Posted 05/20/2015  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
Never mind.
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 Posted 05/20/2015  01:24 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
ANACS should have put presentation strike on the holder.
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 Posted 05/20/2015  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
I agree
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 Posted 05/20/2015  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list
@Tbone

I read the link provided by Bstraus before I posted.

Now I ask anyone here If I had this same coin up on ebay for the same price how many of you here would argue that this is one of 50 known special presentation strikes?

There is nothing on that label that designates it as anyhting other than a Details coin. My bet is to a man you would all say I was crazy to ask that money for a details coin.
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 Posted 05/20/2015  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
@ Tryna

You're probably right. Of course that's not the case with the coin since it's being offered by Julian Leidman.
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 Posted 05/20/2015  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I don't care who is selling it or their level of expertise, I wouldn't buy it unless ANACS states that.
Then why certify it?
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 Posted 05/20/2015  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
Perhaps Julian has attributed this version himself like many cherry pick on die varieties, but it was already slabbed. Tell you what, I'll message him on ebay and ask how he's able to list it as a "Presentation Strike" and why that isn't noted on the ANACS slab.

I'll post back here later.
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 Posted 05/20/2015  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
Well he responded very quickly.

Here was my message to him:

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I was wondering how you were able to determine this was one of the 50 presentation strike coins? Since the price of a typical MS60 of the regular strike is valued around $300 or so.

Also, was wondering why it doesn't note that it's a presentation strike on the ANACS holder?

Thank you very much,


Here was response:

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ANACS did not understand what this coin is. IMHO, this is one of the presentation strikes, as that is the impression that it makes on me.
Best
Julian


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 Posted 05/20/2015  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I wonder if he should contact ANACS and educate them a bit ;-)
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ANACS should have put presentation strike on the holder.

ANACS should have been more clear in the description, but they may not agree it is one of the 50 presentation pieces in how the label is written.

Thank you TBone for going to the source, I've known Julian for a long time myself, he and I are Facebook friends too, and I know he has so much experience in pattern coins, more so than most dealers. I would not want to say it's not a presentation piece, but then, I'm no expert in commemoratives, nor this particular coin variety. It is only Julian's opinion that this coin is one of the 50 presentation coins issued, I'd give him and his years of experience the benefit of the doubt then, not a coin I'd personally buy anyways.


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And to top it off the are (or claim to be) a PNG member

If you believe that not to be true , you can always look here;
http://www.pngdealers.org/find-a-png-dealer
Julian is of course a highly respected PNG dealer, and has received their Lifetime Achievement award in the past.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013!
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See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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