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1945-P Jefferson War Nickel, Flip Over Double Strike

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 Posted 06/01/2015  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list

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If you'd like to discuss your coin, please start your own thread, rather than hijack this one.

He is a moderator, by the way, and he knows what he's doing. He posted that so you could have something to compare a real doubled flipped struck whatever with yours. I do not believe that you have a doubled struck flipped what ever. It would be more pronounced.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list
I know he doesn't need anybody to defend him ,but coop is one of the best in the community with the best set of pictures for us that are not at that level to learn from. (No , I do not know him)
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 Posted 06/02/2015  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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If you don't see it, its because you're not looking close enough.


Then I'm not looking close enough either, except at the confrontational language you're choosing to use. He posted that because you don't seem to know what a flipover is, if you think that Nickel is one.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
To be fair I downloaded the images and zoomed them in but I can't see any evidence of a double strike either. just my opinion
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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
Let's stop this before we get the thread locked.
I can see what appears to be a faint outline of Jefferson's face between the words 'Monticello' and 'Five Cents' on the reverse, as well as part of the bust in the upper right field, if the coin is viewed at a normal angle. To be fair though, it is so faint that it took a bit of looking around to find it. I don't know if this is a multiple strike or not, maybe it's just a bit of wishful thinking on my part, but take a look in those regions and tell us what you see, everyone.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list
I see some surface scratches, a few scuffs, and some toning. I don't see a double strike.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
Sorry for the terse rebuttal to Coop's post ... but his response totally blew any real discussion of this coin completely out of the water.

Dave ... With all due respect, I do know what I'm talking about on this one, and while I could spend a bunch of time making arrows and captions ... it's simply not worth it.

I've spent hours looking at this piece. There are things that will never photograph because the ensuing strike so completely obliterates any of the legends and devices from the first strike. especially in the fields.

That said, the railing at the top of Monticello can easily be seen, as well as the frames of windows on Jefferson's collar, but only if you spend enough time studying the coin. Maybe photos will never get you there. Nothing will if you've closed your mind, and it appears that is exactly what has happened.

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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
After taking a closer look at the coin, what I thought was the face doesn't really match up... and the bust could easily be some scratches. Sorry to change my opinion so fast, but I don't think that's what you have.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list

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while I could spend a bunch of time making arrows and captions ... it's simply not worth it.

I think that would have made this a completely different thread..some arrows and a better descriptions of what your seeing would have certainly helped..heck thats what the experts have taught us here.
How do you know your not seeing remnants of a light clash or another coin having been pressed against it? If you spent hours looking at this coin one would think you could take 5 min. to put some arrows in the images. No hard feelings just my opinion.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
A clash appears only in the fields ...and is but an outline (reversed) of the opposite side of the coin.

I just don't have the equipment to properly photograph the details, nor the time to spend on it....maybe later, but not now.

Take a look at the letter "F" in the detail photo. That is not reversed, and it appears exactly where the F in Five cents would be relative to Monticello. I can also see a shadow .. albeit a bit enlarged from the striking, of the 3 in the date. That appears on the reverse of the coin....again, not reversed.

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 Posted 06/02/2015  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list

For those of you who pressed the "+" key while holding the "control" key, and now have a different sized page on your screen, you can hold down CTRL and hit 0. Things will go back to normal size.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
I know photos always lose the important details, so although I doubt it at this point, you can take it to a local dealer, coin club or fellow collector and see if they think it's anything. I for one would like to know the opinion of an expert who has seen it firsthand.
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 Posted 06/02/2015  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list
I don't see any evidence of a Double Strike Flip-Over. The camera lens when used to best advantage can show more than what we might initially see with the naked eye or a glass. I suggest trying to shoot again with side-lighting set low.

Some double strikes are hard to see if the second strike is very hard but your images seem good enough to pick up any doubling.

Does the coin have a Partial Collar?

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 Posted 06/02/2015  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
It seems to have remained in the collar, Ken. I'll tray and shoot some more pics later. I'm "at work" right now.

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