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Moderator
 United States
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you just posted in the thread that was moved 
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New Member
 Kuwait
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Hong Kong
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This coin does look like a cast copy. Does it ring like silver?
The year of your coin is AH1337. The portrait and legend of the observe is different from the catalog if it is KM#1058.
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Austria
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A really poor forgery (definitely not made of silver). Thanks for sharing.
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New Member
 Kuwait
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It is 1327 not 1337 It look like the one in the catalogue except for the edge and the wieght It is 1 grm less
Does the original one has the same edge? Any body in the forum has an Iran collection ?
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United States
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 Kuwait
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Yes, but what make me suspicions is the weight and the flat edge. Why it is less in weight ? Is the original coin has the same edge ?
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New Member
 Kuwait
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This the same coin from the world coins book
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The coin is definitely a numismatic forgery looks like a simple pressure cast copy made from a plastic mold.
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New Member
 Kuwait
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Dear sir , I appreciate your help , do you know an Iran coins expert , or a source where I get a final judgment of this coin. at least to confirm that the original one does have reeding on the edge.
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United States
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You really do not need to be an expert on Iranian coins to spot a very poorly made forgery such as this one. I was a member of the ebay Coin Forgery Watch Group and your coin would have been voted down. If you look at the Heritage website there are three coins of the same type. The entire mintage for this coin was produced with one pair of dies and your coin was not made with those dies - I see several features that are simply missing. You are right to suspect the coin because of the weight. Silver coins meant to circulate are also meant to wear so that they reach AG to G when 5% of the metal is gone. Your coin is actually too high a grade for the weight loss.
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New Member
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Thanks for the clarification, I am sure know this is a forgery, for another reason, it is the price , I bought it for $100, while its value in the world coin is almost $2000, no way the seller was that stupid, for me I realized its price later on , that's why I got suspicious.
For my own information please explain to me the statement "The entire mintage for this coin was produced with one pair of dies" what do you mean by that ?
Also you mentioned "Heritage website" , could you please provide a link.
Maybe my questions look naive, but I am trying to learn.
thanks
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United States
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Let me help. Often there are more than one set of dies used in coin production for a given year. The dies are what are used to strike the coin. Different dies typically have distinctive (although very minute) differences that can be detected under magnification. If only 1 set of dies is used for striking then coins struck must exhibit the characteristics for that die or they are likely fake. Heritage website link. http://www.ha.com
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fuadbahrani The number of dies used to make a coin varies from one to --?-- In this case, the coin is exceptionally rare which points to the likelihood of only one die pair. That information coupled with the marks visible on all examples of this coin I could locate on on-line databases leads to conclusion that one die pair was likely involved.
Then I looked for serious anomalies - setting details of the design, finishing methods (the grinding of the die) and damage occurring during the die life. All three sets of data appear on all known (or believed to be original) examples of these coins but NOT on your example.
On the Heritage website, you click resources on the tool bar. On the drop down list you choose "search auction archives". The in the search box enter the date and country. I try not to enter more specific data because I find it best to looks at the target denomination and others to compare die design standards. It can also be helpful to examine different years of multi-year series if you suspect alterations ona date or mint mark.
You will need to set up a free bidding account (easy) and then you can get very nice enlarged pictures. Some of the best available. You also get to bid in Heritage auctions which are great.
There are other sources as well, some require up front payments or subscriptions but Heritage is completely adequate in this case.
Edited by swamperbob 07/13/2015 11:57 pm
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