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1875-CC Uncirculated 20 Cent Error!?

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 Posted 08/17/2015  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hoosiergator to your friends list
First things first............where did you find such a pretty 20 cent piece?
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 Posted 08/17/2015  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add picc to your friends list
Thanks for the link to the lamination error page. I am curious to see what they have to say. I manage a coin shop and this piece, with three others came in the store recently. The one wing is lacking all it's detail due to a very weak strike which is pretty common with this date.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list
Looks like the obverse die had broken and during coin striking the metal filled the void caused by the die brake and this resulted in the wing be devoid of detail on the reverse. This is a similar result to a Cud strike only I don't know what to call it when the Cud doesn't go to the rim. nlp
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 Posted 08/17/2015  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubledimes to your friends list
It looks like it could be a strike-through error. I've got an 1875-P double dime with a similar depression on the reverse, with the coin struck through a small piece of wire, or something like that. It's pictured in our book (and the free online version at doubledimes.com). Under the Errors chapter, there's a section on Strike-through errors, and my 1875 is pictured there.

The weakness in the Eagle's wing is typical of the BF-2 die marriage. This is the die marriage that represents almost 3/4 of all known 1875-CCs, and they always come with weakness there, some more than others. The first two die marriages, BF-1 and the recently-discovered BF-5 are always well struck (probably too much so, which buckled the reverse die causing the need for quick replacement). Striking pressure seems to have been lessened significantly after the two reverse die failures, and the plentiful BF-2 was the beneficiary of the weaker strikes.
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 Posted 08/17/2015  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
I'm glad that you joined the CCF doubledimes. I thought you would be able to shed some light on this error for the original poster.

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 Posted 08/17/2015  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Welcome to the CCF, Doubledimes!

Years ago, a knowledgeable collector told me that wood chips were sometimes used to scrub the dies and lift grease. This coin brings that to mind. Might have a splinter clogged the die?
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 Posted 08/19/2015  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
sounds like a plausible possibility to me. Wood chip could easily get stuck to the die grease or machine grease the mint used and fall onto the die during striking. That is sure is a pretty double dime you have there, lots of eye appeal in the patina. By the way !
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 Posted 08/19/2015  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list
That has got to be one of the prettiest 20 cent pieces I've ever laid eyes on. Error or not, a keeper for sure! I wouldn't think twice about asking for research attribution.
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 Posted 08/20/2015  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
brb drooling.
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 Posted 10/07/2015  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add picc to your friends list
Hi, just got the coin back from NGC. It graded a MS62! NGC said it was an error but it was to minor to be mentioned on the label. *** Edited by Staff - Please review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. *** Thanks for all your help!
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 Posted 10/07/2015  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list
picc you'll have to get your post count up first before you can offer it for sale here. Congrats on the grading result. I only wish I had the resources to be able to afford such a beautiful coin.

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 Posted 10/07/2015  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
That came back original color. Good going! It has that splochy look of of a past dip to remove color
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 Posted 10/07/2015  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Oih82w8 will want this one ....
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 Posted 10/15/2015  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Congrats on the no-problem grade!

I'd guess the defect is a lamination which separated from the coin. It would qualify as a mint error but probably wouldn't enhance the value much. I wonder if 20-cent pieces have a tendency towards lamination issues. My 1878 proof coin shows a lamination-type error at 2:00 on the reverse which has not separated. If the peeling metal segment did separate the resulting void might be similar to the affected area of your piece.






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 Posted 10/15/2015  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
Nice pieces, both of you! My first thought was that it was just a gouge in the coin, but I trust NGC more than I trust myself.
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