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"Miles Standish" "West Point" Silver Eagle, PCGS MS-70

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 Posted 09/12/2015  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
Got a reference for that, BStrauss3?
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 Posted 09/12/2015  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
So the answer is ... West Point is producing bullion coins with no mint mark? Seems awful strange. I have 2015 eagles I got from the mint that have the "W" mint mark, but they were sold as "uncirculated" rather than bullion pieces.
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 Posted 09/13/2015  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Before 2001 all the bullion eagles were struck in Philadelphia. Since 2001 in general they have all been struck at West Point. Starting in 2011 some have been struck at San Francisco. No matter where they were struck NONE of the bullion eagles have carried a mintmark. That was why when the started striking them in San Francisco in 2011 we started seeing slabs with (W) and (S) on them. Because the only way you could tell where they were made was from the strapping bands on the green monster boxes. When people submitted unopened monster boxes the TPG would indicate which mint they came from based on the box strap.
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 Posted 09/13/2015  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
Of course the "uncirculated" (as opposed to the "bullion") eagles do have mint marks -- "w" and "s".

I'm looking as hard as I can at my 2015-w "uncirculated" eagle I got from the mint, and this 2015 "west point" no-mint-mark bullion piece. As far as I can tell they are identically struck, with no difference in luster or surface quality.

Go figure.
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 Posted 09/13/2015  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Reno32 to your friends list
i have 2 west point 2015 Proof and Uncirculated American Eagle,now I want the one that don't have the mint mark that they didn't sale on the US Mint.but the one I was getting under Product Specifications it only say it from the US Mint and Bullion, Uncirculated.
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 Posted 09/13/2015  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list

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now I want the one that don't have the mint mark that they didn't sale on the US Mint.but the one I was getting under Product Specifications it only say it from the US Mint and Bullion, Uncirculated.


Reno32..you just need to buy a regular bullion ASE like this..not expensive

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-1-Amer...em1a05cda842
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There still seems to be some confusion, so let's see if we can set this straight. There are two types of ASEs available:

1. Bullion - these are NOT available directly from the US Mint. They are only sold to Authorized Purchasers and distributed through bullion dealers. They don't bear a mint mark and since 2001 are minted at West Point or San Francisco (although as of 2015 they are only minted at West Point per the article referenced above).

2. Collector/Numismatic - these are proof and uncirculated issues and are available directly from the U.S. Mint to collectors. They will have a mint mark of W, P, or S.

Bottom line - if it has no mint mark, it's bullion. If it has a mint mark, it's either proof or uncirculated.
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 Posted 09/13/2015  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Just like the pucks
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Reno32..you just need to buy a regular bullion ASE like this..not expensive
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-Silver...111766513730


@ Foxwoods that what confuse me when I first got mine from the US Mint I thought I was getting the proof and the regular Uncirculated coin now it this one pop up with no W and saying it from West Point someone like me don't know we'll think it a fake one but now since you guy know these not fake i'll get one go with my regular American Eagle that I call them with no mint mark because I thought they always came from P or D mint.








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 Posted 09/13/2015  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Reno32 to your friends list
i wanted to put this coin with this set,is this coin the same as these because I don't know where these coin were mint from.the coin store I got these from have close.thanks
https://goccf.com/t/234404&whichpage=1
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 Posted 09/15/2015  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Reno32 to your friends list
Foxwoods I never had a ms 70 coin so I just purchase a 2015 $1 American Silver Eagle Ms70 Anacs (W) Coin,now I can see a ms70 look close up.
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 Posted 09/16/2015  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
Nice....but also get a 69 grade coin and see if you can tell the difference. Not a big investment and a world of education
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 Posted 09/16/2015  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Reno32 to your friends list
ok will do that what I wanted it for so the 69 I will get.thanks Fox
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 Posted 09/18/2015  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list
Reno32, as others have said, the banding on the monster box is how they knew it was minted in West Point.

For some years the "bullion" coins were produced at two different mints. The only way to prove it is for it to be taken from a sealed monster box at 3rd party grading service and put in a slab like you have. If you decide to collect silver eagles, then you'll need to decide whether you want to differentiate between the unmarked bullion coins produced at different mints or not. Personally, I don't because I take the point of view that if I can't tell the difference between two coins by looking at them, then that are the same. Condor101 already pointed this out, but I think it bears repeating. If you see a mint mark on a slab in parenthesis, then the 3rd party grading service is saying that bullion coin came from a sealed monster box that was produced at that particular mint. For example "2015(W)" is a bullion coin that was produced at the West Point mint. "2015-W" is a collector uncirculated (aka burnished) coin that was produced at the West Point mint and is(was) available to collectors through the mint's website.

Here's a good website for getting information about silver eagles.
http://silvereagleguide.com/

You'll also want to decide whether or not you want to collect certified or uncertified silver eagles. I personally don't collect the certified ones, but there's nothing wrong with going either way. Regardless, look at the coins yourself and decide if the coin meets your standards. I've seen MS-70 coins in slabs that have spots on them (spots probably didn't show when they were put in the slab) and I've seen unslabbed coins that look perfect. The bullion coins are basically perfect when they leave the mint, but people take them out of rolls, put their fingers on them, and put them back in rolls. Don't feel bad about not buying a coin that you don't like. When putting my silver eagle collection together, I've only purchased about 20% of the coins I looked at. Finally, here's an excellent link regarding the silver eagle mintages.
http://silvereagleguide.com/mintages
As you can see by looking at the chart, the collector "uncirculated" (aka "burnished") silver eagles were not even produced until 2006. Pay particular attention to the notes at the bottom. Some coins were available individually and in sets.

Also, I'm not at all trying to be the grammar police here, but please try to do a better job of using capitol letters and punctuation. I had to read your posts several times to make sure that I understood what you were trying to say.

Finally, keep in mind that you likely paid a premium for the coin you purchased because it has an autograph. Nothing wrong with that if that's what you wanted.
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09/18/2015 09:58 am
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 Posted 09/18/2015  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list
You could start a proof 70 collection with this Miles Standish signed ASE:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/281531...6&rmvSB=true
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