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 Posted 10/19/2015  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
In the description (at least, of the one I clicked on), it said bidding would start at $0.99 (as opposed to the $9.99 they are listed for). $0.99 seems much more reasonable, but still too much IMO (pretty much $0.25 is what I'd pay).
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 Posted 10/19/2015  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list
I'll venture a guess that someone working for him listed these to try and get rid of them.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
Seriously? Gold plated quarters?
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 Posted 10/20/2015  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list
This sellers feedback makes me wary as well. The reasons for the negatives are what concern me. Places coins up for auction and then sells the coins at shows and elsewhere with the excuse that he's running a business and he can sell them anywhere.. Well, that's correct but on ebay you are causing hassles for anyone who wins and pays for your auctions and then you cancel the sale. Bad practice. Not a place I'd shop for sure.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
That's really not fair, they are running a business and a big one at that. I've bought from them both on ebay and f2f.

What would you have them do? Have a completely separate inventory on ebay and then on the show floor? So the coin you want you can't see in hand because "it's only on ebay".

The only problem is that it takes them a day or so to take the listing down from ebay, and that's in part because they have a dedicated online staff. One of my dealer friends has a Wi-Fi access point and he'll take down a listing at the next time the shows slows down - that's preferable, but hard to do in a big organization.

And of course if you met them in a show and they were busy typing on the tablet to take down the listing for what they had just sold somebody here would be complaining that "I went to the show and they were too busy playing on their tablet to take care of me".



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 Posted 10/20/2015  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list
In short, yes, if they're going to sell on ebay they must separate out those coins from everything else they're selling. I believe they're violating ebay policies. Plus, they're tying up people's money with this practice. It's a bad practice plain and simple and I personally wouldn't do business with them.

It really doesn't matter how large the company is, if they have the time to list the items they have the time to separate what is on ebay from what is not. If they don't have the staff or time to do so then they shouldn't sell on ebay. You can excuse it off any way you want. This is just bad business practices and the negative feedback supports it.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Centsei to your friends list
CotW observed:

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Maybe, but then again why doesn't he just buy them from him? He would lose money, but DSS Coin & Bullion is raking in cash by the truck load and $20 isn't very much for them. I once went there and asked to see their early wheats, and half a 500 coin box was consumed by unslabbed 1914 D LWC's.


I know this is a diversion from the topic, but that image really hits me. I'd like to run my hands through that pile like Scrooge McDuck with his gold coins. Heck, I'd like to just see such a thing.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list

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In short, yes, if they're going to sell on ebay they must separate out those coins from everything else they're selling. I believe they're violating ebay policies. Plus, they're tying up people's money with this practice. It's a bad practice plain and simple and I personally wouldn't do business with them.

It really doesn't matter how large the company is, if they have the time to list the items they have the time to separate what is on ebay from what is not. If they don't have the staff or time to do so then they shouldn't sell on ebay. You can excuse it off any way you want. This is just bad business practices and the negative feedback supports it.

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Their practice is definitely unethical and a violation of ebay policy. Once a coin gets a bid that meets the reserve (if any), then they are obligated to sell the coin via ebay. Of course someone can look at the coin in the store, but they need to bid on ebay if they want the coin. If they're not sure, it's pretty simple to look on ebay to see if it has a bid before selling the coin in the store.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list


Bad practice to sell coins that they have listed on ebay.

Both are seperate business platforms, they should be treated
as such.

Sounds like they have enough inventory they can do both right.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Sorry, but you are out of touch with the real world. Most dealers have coins for sale on every platform they can.

It's not a violation of ebay policy, sellers can end listings early for many reasons.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html

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Reasons for ending a listing early

When you choose to end a listing early, buyers may be disappointed. If you regularly end listings early, your account may be subject to account restrictions and other consequences. However, we understand that sometimes you may have a good reason to end a listing early.



Reason
The item is lost, broken, or otherwise no longer available for sale.

What to do
As soon as you notice a problem, try to end the listing.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I think how you are interpreting that bold quote, and how I see it,
is much different.

And if you read the first paragraph you can see ebay has a problem
with sellers doing this often.

If you know a few dealers that are doing this, that does not make it
right.

I work at two coin shops, know two other dealer very well.
They would never sell something they have listed on ebay.
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 Posted 10/20/2015  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list
Translating "otherwise no longer available for sale" to mean "you sold it to someone else" is an incredibly generous interpretation. Anyone who would do that is a dirtbag, plain and simple.

According to ebay's requirements for ending an auction early, one can't if there are less than 12 hours to go unless they sell to the highest bidder (assuming there is a bidder). If there are more than 12 hours to go, the auction can be ended early and the item sold to the highest bidder. Or, the seller can cancel the bid, end the auction early, and then get charged a fee. All this is regardless of the reason, even if it's a good one.
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 Posted 10/21/2015  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list

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Sorry, but you are out of touch with the real world. Most dealers have coins for sale on every platform they can.


BStrauss, I don't believe I'm out of touch with the real world at all. I've been a member of ebay for 18 years both as a seller and a buyer.

What I am saying is that this IS a violation of ebay terms as your own statement describes. Yes they can remove items as they wish but if it becomes practice then it's a blatant violation.

This sellers record shows this is a normal occurrence for them. It's a slimy practice and ebay should step in and do something about it.

As I said in my original post, it's a BAD business practice and it ties up people's money when they do it. That's not only not fair, it's just plain and simple NOT RIGHT.

Again, I would avoid this seller like the plague because they cannot be trusted to honor their auctions.
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 Posted 10/21/2015  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list
Honor is the key word here. The seller clearly doesn't have any. I wonder how the seller would feel someone won the auction, bought the same thing for sell somewhere else, and then didn't pay for the item.
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