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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree. Sure could be true. And the 9% nickel can certainly be easily detected but possibly not by the average Joe.
I was just thinking out loud to myself. Has any maker of these coins posted images of their concoctions just to get some feedback on how plausible it would be to pass of their goods? I'm not saying that about the OP. It just struck me that the makers and fakers of these items could exploit resources like this forum to see how well they are doing by asking for opinions about their products. Interesting idea about these kinds of posts anyway. I'm a newbie here, but I have to think members that are more experienced may have contemplated this line of thought.
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My dad claim he bought this coin about 30 years back.
So if this coin is made by silver does that mean it is genuine?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think this present rash of fakes coming in from Singapore and China imitating coins like yours is a bit more recent. So if your dad bought this coin 30 years ago that tells me it is certainly worth looking more into it to get a better idea than I can give in this forum. Your coin falls into a different category for me. And that is I would want to see it in my lab and go from there.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I believe that the Chinese have made quite a lot of poor quality silver fakes that could also yield close to the same density of that of a genuine 90% silver coin.
An alloy of 60% lead, 40% copper will yield an alloy of 10.4 g/cc. This mixture, alloyed with any amount of silver will give the same density. A ring tone can be achieved, if enough silver is used.
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02/26/2016 05:21 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
I'd like to have it to see how close to 10.31 it might be along with other tests. Good or bad, right or wrong, either way it would still be interesting for a look-see. And that's what I enjoy doing.
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02/26/2016 12:04 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I think it's a bit early to dismiss this as a counterfeit a bit too quickly.
What is required is better photos as well as more information. While the weight seems to be around right, it would be best to get one that can measure down to 0.1g. While the tolerance level of this particular type of coin seems to be all over the place, it can still rule out if it's too underweight or overweight.
At first glance, it looks like it's a coin that has been in salt water or shows sign of corrosion. Edge wise, nothing stands out as alarming yet.
So far in my opinion, this could be a coin that has been damaged due to environmental reasons.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm not sure the tolerance level would vary greatly for this particular coin if genuine. Kwang Tung I don't think deviated much compared to other provinces. They were among the best and probably without errors. I'd look for 39mm by 2.5mm, 27 grams and .900 fine and go from there. Oh and by the way we should see those dragon tail spines and flames on the pearl as well. Maybe the OP can do better with a closer look.
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02/26/2016 01:17 am
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New Member
Singapore
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i have try my best effort to take this photo. I hope it is a better photo to view and I do not have a measuring scale which can measure to 0.1g. i had done some cleaning to the coin. below is the picture of the coin now.  Edited by zKCz
02/26/2016 03:17 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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zKCz - you have just done major disservice for two reasons: 1) Cleaning coins is a no in most circumstances. This coin has been chopmarked and has been damaged however cleaning it would have dropped the value much further. 2) A 0.1 gram scale these days is very affordable. On ebay you may be able to pick one up for 10 dollars, give and take. When dealing with Chinese coins, every possible information is very crucial to determine if it is genuine or not. Albert - many Chinese coins of this era are known for a wide weight variance. Kirin Province in particular is known to be severely underweight and often were traded as a discount. The technical weight of 7.2 mace actually would mean that each coin had to be struck at 27.2 grams. I have an example that is underweight at 26.7g. Who knows, I could have been bitten and the example that I could be a counterfeit.  Edited by gxseries
02/26/2016 11:10 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have to say it looks genuine to me just based on that latest picture and limited to what and how I see it on my screen. That Camry should read to one or two decimal places but it doesn't in the photograph.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Tough call on this piece. The devil's advocate in me, though, keeps seeing this thread translated as:
"Hello. I treat fake coin with the acid to make situation confused. Silly Westerners, you can tell?"
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In those earlier pics I did recognize what I thought was that silvery "crackle" type appearance I have on several fakes in my collection. Along with flawed devices that just might be obscured with a bad photo. Wrong size, wrong metal, wrong something or other but disguised with silver plating or wash. But those coins have other and easy flaws to find. I guess I can tell the OP and say I think the obverse looks legit. I have other coins like that where you really can't readily see if the coin is a fake or not. If his coin is fake, it's just one of the better ones instead of one of the poorer renditions. Like before. I said I'd want it. Then later in my book the truth, pics and data would come out to reveal just what it is or is not. I have several Chinese fakes that just by looking at them, you can't tell. So by default for me I just have to tell the OP that at first I doubted but now at this point I just don't see anything obvious to disprove his coin is not good.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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To be honest, I think it has come to the stage where it's getting very difficult to give advice online as the level of counterfeit is increasing. Take for instance this: https://registry.NGCcoin.hk/news/article/3844/I would not be surprised if a counterfeiter takes a perfect copy and treats it with acid to make it look more worn / "authentic". It's a real shame. If this is indeed genuine, it's still worth the 100+ dollar mark to the right collector. |
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Singapore
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Thanks. But sorry Albert I'm not selling it :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sorry it won't be offered for sale. I enjoy these coins. I like to get them wherever I can and then take the weights, measures and pictures. Eventually they end up in my book as genuine but mostly not. What attracts me to this coin is that I see a lot of what is right. And I see a lot of absence of the common things that are wrong. So naturally it would be a good one for me to buy and then publish the findings.
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