1964 Sp/Sms Nickels Or BU Unc?

No word yet.Man its nuts.But I can hardly wait for your return with news.

So word is I may have come across apretty beat up roll of some toned proofs(because of the mirror polish around the time)..not likely even Proofs though, but no hopes finding the 1964 SMS in any rolls. I may send one out just for a definitive answer on the matter, but if you have your own UNC 1964 rolls at home, don't get your hopes up like my dumb a** did. Should've listened to Coop and saved myself the ride. Ahwell there's always the 1969 s ddo

Thanks a lot Rackster. I was most certainly expecting the "you're a dumb***" sarcasm. I never did make it to the dealer on Friday because of work. I'm just going off of my obsessive research on the SMS coins of 1964. I'm fairly certain I have faced the fact that my first "major" find isn't going to be a $3,000 nickel though I can say if nothing else, I have learned probably every piece of available knowledge on the 1964 SMS mystery. I am working on a write up of the SMS sets of 1964 and will post it when I am satisfied. I can certainly say the date freeze is a huge issue to take into account when valuing the SMS coins. That's a different thread though.

The SMS 65-67 had a proof appearance are you sure it wasn't one? They certainly exist

Well anyways...one has been sent to PCGS and one to NGC. Any input on ICG? They seem to be pretty reputable as well.

Hi Jimmyjohns7724 and all.I have been busy but I am posting an update.My coins came back to me as MS Detailed.huhish? First off,my coins were and have not ever been cleaned,but NGC wouldn't evaluate my coins further because they thought they were cleaned.So,naturally, I am a little heated and told my coin dealer that I sent those coins in to designate their variety,which they are SMS's,so why didn't they do that.I said it is fine that they thought they were cleaned but I paid for a Variety Attribution.Needless to say,I had to return the coins back to them so they can Atribute them.There goes more time and money.I trust my dealer and NGC, but I don't like the way this is going down.This situation just happens when it comes to my SMS coins.Coop or anyone else,has this happen to you all? It makes me alittle uneasy,thats all.

NDCent I still haven't heard any news on mine which leads me to believe I may have the same issue as far as SP/SMS designation. I'm about to be posting up some pictures of an immaculate 1964 full set I just got in today and the comparison on the Nickel is EDS, but extremely similar to what I saw in my original Nickels as far as the polishing. I think the problem with these coins is that there are so few, and unlike typical Die Markers on Doubled Dies and such, polish lines are not going to be as standard as a specific Die marker. The few examples to compare pictures to are the ms66-67's, but the picture of the MS60's they've graded would probably be pretty different in comparison. Anyways that's just my opinion, no fact behind it. I just wouldn't necessarily assume every polish line is going to be the same. As Coop said, some they are highly noticeable and some they are barely visible at all. Tough call on these. I assume it's about the same as finding that 65-67 in excellent condition and finding it extremely hard to say it is or is not an SMS coin. Proofs are available in rolls so one would assume the SMS would have been the same. So being that they hadn't been known as special strikes until 1993, how many AU 50's are out there from being mindlessly spent as just a Nickel? The theory that is always published steers away from that theory considering they sell for $30k nowadays. If I was the grading company making that kind of money, I'd stick with that story too. Nobody will ever know why some 1964's have proof rims and deep strikes with an off metal appearance because the only "facts" to go on are from the grading company and auctioneers unfortunately. My original nickel from this post should be decided on any day though so we'll see.

I said they're AVAILABLE not packaged from the Mint. A 2003 auction from Heritage stated their Lincoln SMS had a fingerprint and it was aged and Toned as the original coin, so they assumed the SMS werent handled much differently than Business Strikes. Story has changed, but so has the price. Nobody can guarantee that the SMS 64's weren't packed in rolls.