Please Help. Are These Real Or Fakes?

I don't know anything about early U.S. coins, but the first one doesn't even have a denomination mark, so that to me would suggest they're fake.

As for the other one, I'm not sure why the denomination would be abbreviated. I've never seen anything with abbreviated denominations except for some Greek coins. If they're fake, whoever made them didn't think everything through.

If they're real, they are definitely strange and somehow remarkably preserved for coins that are 162-216 years old.

I would have them checked out.You have nothing to lose.Good Luck.

Fake. Very mushy details. The types shown are some of the most heavily counterfeited coins out there today.

I found a website with counterfeit examples of the first coin if you want to compare.

http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/page_7.html

Wow! That is an awesome site! Thanks for sharing!

The early gold and silver US coins did not have denominations on the obv or rev. You were expected to know the denomination based on the size. This was a holdover from the British model. British coins also had no denomination and where identified by size. The US half and dollar coins though did have the denomination on the edge of the coin.

@Parklane64 ... I just took another look at this thread. not having subscribed. So, sorry for my delay in replying. I'm no expert, but I've seen and held enough of these poorer quality fakes that spotting them has become something of a second nature.

Much of what I see has already been cited. Although the Seated dollar is a trickier call than the bust piece, there are two things that initially catch my eye. All of the seated fakes I see tend to have XF details with few, if any, circulation marks. They also exhibit a washed-out coloration. Closer examination reveals what's already been stated by others, above.