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A Question About Grading

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 Posted 07/12/2016  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Right. Coins graded AU-58 in any series are often more attractive than those graded MS60 up to even MS63.
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 Posted 07/12/2016  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
So when dealing with slabbed coins do you buy the grade or the coin? I would think the coin?
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 Posted 07/12/2016  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Always buy the coin irregardless of what the holder says. Interestingly enough a lot of classic coins graded by PCGS and NGC in the 1980s as AU58 , will come back today as MS 61 or 62 .
An example , a coin I was half owner with a Vancouver coin dealer a few years back was in a PCGS rattler ( 1894 Morgan) as AU 58. He being a PCGS distributor walked it through at an ANA show and it came out as an MS61 PCGS. Nice profit if you can do that every day.
Grade flation is rampant amongst the top services the last few years.
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 Posted 07/12/2016  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list
Really you could compare it to reading a tape measure, and asking if that is 3/32nds or 1/8th really the AU58 and low MS are that close to each other. Always buy the coin not the holder.
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 Posted 07/12/2016  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Here's the problem: If a TPG determines a coin is "uncirculated", then the surface condition and marks become paramount in the grade decision. But if a TPG detects even a trace of circulation (58), these marks become secondary, and even an apparent 64 or 65 falls to the high AU level. The valuation discrepancy between super AUs and medium and especially upper-grade MS coins will always exist, I'm afraid.
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 Posted 07/12/2016  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list
Long story short it sounds like you can get an almost 64/65 for a 58 price if you have a good eye :)
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 Posted 07/12/2016  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
I hadn't been looking at graded 58's until recently think I'm gonna start
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 Posted 07/12/2016  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
It all has to do with the amount of bag marks and other issues on a coin that has no wear. contrary to the AU-55 or 58 that has minimal wear but clean of all issues .
I am one that would buy a 58 over a 60-62 any day of the week . It's all in the eye appeal .
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 Posted 07/12/2016  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Bag marks are not wear - they can impact the grade: a heavily marked coin or one with marks that are especially distracting will have a lower grade.

AU58 coins are in beautiful condition with very slight wear on the highest points.

So an AU58 coin often looks a lot better than it's MS60 or MS61 canine cousin.
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 Posted 07/12/2016  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Yep ... AU 58 most times looks better than low MS ...

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 Posted 07/13/2016  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
There are some us who are willing to pay the same price or more for a really choice an smooth AU-58 than an hacked up MS-60, 61 or 62. What you have noticed is something that veteran collectors have learned over the years.

When I was shopping for some early double eagle type coins many years ago (before slabs), I swear some of the coins I saw had been hacked with an ice pick intentionally. The thinking seemed to go like this. "This coin is a AU. How about if I hack up the rubbed surfaces so that you can't see the rub any more and call it Unc. Do you think that will work?"

For some buyers I'd say, "yes!"
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 Posted 07/13/2016  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
So I am thinking unless I step up for a nice MS64 for the price I am going to look at some clean AU58 Morgans. Especially in the common dates I would rather pay $35 or so for a clean AU58.
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 Posted 07/13/2016  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
It's a complicated subject. If your primary goal is a good-looking coin, then AU-58s are a great way to go.

But AU-58s, even choice ones, will always be AU-58s, and so the upside price potential is probably compromised, much like the case with their beat-up MS60-62 cousins.

If you have an eye to investment (especially in the market-glutted Morgan series), you will need to focus on scarcer dates in higher grades as a rule.

Start slowly and study before you commit - many common TPG 64s can be had for very little money, for good reason.

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 Posted 07/13/2016  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
I don't buy to invest so much as because I enjoy Morgans and want the best coin for the $ I can get. I don't want something that will lose value over time but neither am I expecting to make money on this. Hold their own with inflation is good enough for me
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 Posted 07/14/2016  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
AU-58s don't always stay as AUs. Some have gotten "better" over time and gone into low end Mint State holders.
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