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Pillar of the Community
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My first thought was "cleaned".
But if not I'd say high VF, maybe even XF-40.
But I think think "cleaned" takes priority over any grade.
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Mid VF details maybe see if acetone bath will remove the black grime especially on the reverse.
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Pillar of the Community
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I did not end up buying this coin. $239 is the price. Would have been $24 cheaper with 10x ebay bucks. |
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VF-30. I wish that people would stop grading these coins that show any weakness on the word "LIBERTY" EF. That is grade-flation. Before you know it you will have to buy an AU graded piece to get a full liberty. Just look at what has happened with the ax lines on Mercury dimes, and the Liberty on 1877 Indian cents. Don't let the grading services get away with this. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree meets EF-40 standards without a doubt, imo.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have to agree with Bill on this one. Overgrading is rampant. If you look at that coin dispassionately just at its overall wear (forget about technical grading points for the moment), you'll see a nice VF coin. There's strong wear over all the devices and fields. The rim and dentils show wear. All this takes it out of EF IMHO. Maybe it can be argued it's a VF30.
I do agree, the services might just put this in an EF holder. But, it does not deserve EF money. I've recently seen 2-cent pieces that deserved no better than Fine in VF holders.
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Pillar of the Community
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I just looked at the double dime grading guide that was linked on this thread. The difference between the pieces graded EF, especially the EF-40, is huge. One of things that has long bugged me about the grading services is that they are often correct to conservative when it comes to AU and Mint State coins, but they really have played fast and lose with the circulated grades. In other words, "the little guys" have gotten short changed with degraded grading standards. The first Twenty Cent Piece I ever bought came from the New York Gimbels Department Store in 1964. That coin was graded Fine, and it had four letters of the "LIBERTY" visible. The Brown and Dunn grading book said all seven should be visible, but that was too strict. The letters on the double dime are RAISED which caused them to wear faster. Therefore the Gimbels grade was really accurate. Since then it's been all down hill with the grading of these coins. |
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New York Gimbels Department Store in 1964 Wow, I used to buy stamps and coins at the Gimbels in Yonkers, back in the late 60s. Where was your Gimbels. sorry to go a bit sideways here Edited by edweather
08/04/2016 6:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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This was the one in mid town Manhatten that was next to Macy's. When I was Gimbel customer, I mostly bought from the Philadelphia store that was on Eighth and Market.
That marked my first trip to professional coin dealer. Prior to that I had been buying coins from my mother's cleaning lady and other similar sources.
As for stamps, the Gimbels concession (The Coin and Currency Institute rented the space; it was not run by the Gimbels management), was the largest stamp dealer in the world at the time.
Edited by billjones
08/04/2016 6:13 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have it between VF25 and 30 details.
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I use to use Brown & Dunn to grade with but those days are long gone. The TPG's have really loosened the standards but that's where we are now. I checked slabbed VF-30 and also slabbed EF and AU 20c coins on ebay after this thread was started. I really believe the TPG's would have this one in an EF slab. |
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