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Off Center In Two Directions About 90 Degrees Apart

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 Posted 01/30/2017  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
Just found a 1972 rim missing both sides 180 degrees away . I hope the pics are oriented correct this time if not let me know which direction they are rotated .

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 Posted 01/30/2017  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Potbellypub, sounds like you're learning about how coins are made, minted. One fellow told me that the dies and collars become loose with use, making an awful clacking racket. The operator just takes a screwdriver and tightens up where needed, while the press is still running. That's why coins may seem slightly off center but in various directions. Just what adjustment became loose.

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 Posted 01/31/2017  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
thank you crazybo I'm trying to pick up all the information I can . And to add to this question if a coin is stamped on the obverse to where there is no rim on the right side of the coin on the obverse and the reverse is normal as in same size rim all the way around what is that called and what is the cause ?
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 Posted 01/31/2017  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
That is called MAD, misaligned die

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 Posted 01/31/2017  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
And that is common as well?
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 Posted 01/31/2017  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list
its common enough where it doesn't add much value, if any.
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 Posted 01/31/2017  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
Thank you fuzzy317 I appreciate the answer on the value but I was just asking for the value of the knowledge of being able to spot and identify things . I appreciate you and all of the folks that reply for sharing your knowledge with me !
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 Posted 01/31/2017  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list
Slightly off-centered collar and a MAD. No extra value
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 Posted 01/31/2017  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
While I have heard these sometimes referred to as slightly MAD, I think Your 72-D is not a MAD, it would have to be missing some of the rim completely. A MAD gains value when it's so misaligned, the devices start to fall off the edge.
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 Posted 01/31/2017  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
Thanks coincolecter2000and coinmasters I appreciate your replies! I am new and I ask questions more for knowledge than value but I do appreciate the knowledge of when something gains value ! I'm keeping a lot of these as references so I can begin to recognize and see things that are or aren't there . Again to all of you thanks for sharing knowledge !
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 Posted 02/01/2017  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
I fully understand you're in it for collecting rather than profiting, PBP. Value and knowledge are inseparable though. Without the knowledge of value, you wouldn't know what to collect. Knowledge of what adds value, tells you how to collect. I'm afraid you're going to have to learn them simultaneously. lol Heck, you can't even tell someone "nice coin", unless you have some knowledge of it's value. That's why I told you what added value to a MAD.
I think you're wise to take those notes, there's a lot to learn here. You'll probably reference them often at first. Some things here don't come up very often, Those are the notes you'll keep the longest. The picture below is the best note I've taken. When you fully understand it, you'll have some truly valuable knowledge.


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 Posted 02/01/2017  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
That makes perfect sense coinmasters . And yes there is tons of valuable knowledge to be learned here . The lesson on the md vs double die was the first lesson I learned when I started looking at coins , I thought I had a handful of doubled dies until I started asking questions . Saved some as examples put the rest in the vacation fund . Thanks for sharing your knowledge !
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 Posted 02/01/2017  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
This looks like a case of a Rim Fin that has flattened a bit. Here is more information on this from Mike Diamond:
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=finning
The cause? He mention die tilt that left a small area near the collar to have a bit of space. The metal rises on that area:
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Note the raised area on the rim on the nickel? That hasn't flattened down yet. So these are common to find the flattened ones. Probably the first time it get put into a roll or a counting machine, that fin will flatten. That looks like what happened to your coin. So no premium, more of a knowledge thing.
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 Posted 02/01/2017  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
While it isn't worth a premium, your 1973 is interesting because it shows something not normally seen, Both dies are misaligned, and as you mentioned misaligned in different directions. The anvil die is seldom misaligned and even when it is it can never be off very far because it is mounted inside the collar which makes centering it easier.
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 Posted 02/01/2017  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potbellypub to your friends list
Thanks coop very informative ! Thanks conder101 I agree it is interesting to me to I have already put it in my collection as an example and thanks to you guys I know how to label it now .
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