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I'm looking at the D's on your coin ChiTownRay they look to me like they are a little different than the D's on my coin maybe its just me does anyone else see anything different?
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02/11/2017 11:14 pm
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They (the D's) look different to me, but they may just be a partially filled die. I, too, picked up some of Jack Griffin's stuff at the Hoare auctions (there were 3 and I could only get to 2). I was very heavy into my '59's at that time and may not have looked at the '81's ... rats!
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OK, so 7 it is. Thanks Papeldog, for your efforts here. This is a very worthwhile exercise, 6 years after the Charlton 2011 listings, because for most of us, that has been our only touchstone for understanding the likelihood of ever finding a particular coin. I've been chatting on another thread, with CV and Bosox, regarding the relative frequency of 1859 DP and TP 9's. Interesting stuff, and revealing. The thread was titled regarding DP #4. Have there been any similar discussions or polls taken for the cousin of 1881 SSN, namely, the elusive 1882 C2/C1 HPD? I call it elusive only because that coin has eluded me  I'm very curious as to whether it has been as hard to find for others. Regarding the D's on my SSN, I suppose they look a little more worse for wear than the one you list, especially at the top of the loops. I apologize for the poor color balance, as I took those photos before I purchased the USB-fed Lighthouse camera. I need to plug that thing in again for a week and properly catalogue my coins with a consistent "look" to them. These pics make the coin look cleaned, but really, it is a nice honey color, and doesn't appear cleaned. Best, Ray Edited by ChiTownRay
02/12/2017 09:51 am
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Yes 7 to date so far Ray.
I have been following that thread as well it is a big challenge to find all the 1859 DP9's and Tp9's I have most but not in high grades I'm still hunting 4 that are in the 65th edition.
As for the 1882 I have the OC2/OC1 in MS but like yourself I haven't stumbled over a OC2/OC1 punch doubling as of yet I think they are very few as well.
I think okie and zonad were doing study with this coin at one time but I'm not sure maybe okie will chim in on it.
also Dan in Crystal lake also had a website on 1881 1882 and 1884 at one time he had a little write up on it but that's gone now and I haven't heard or seen much of him anymore either since Canadian Copper Coins went down no one seems to correspond anymore
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02/12/2017 4:39 pm
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The 1882H Double Die is similar in difficulty to the 1859 TP9-1.
The 1882H Triple Die, however, is similar in difficulty to the 1881H SSN. I just sent two to PCGS (a VF30 and a VG8) and there are only 4-5 known.
I consider the 1882H Triple die THE rarest victorian penny variety of all. Far rarer than the 1859 Brass penny.
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02/12/2017 5:04 pm
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Might I ask, what is an 1881 SSN? Can someone please display the difference for us less read people :)
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single serif n ,,the N's in canada and regina have only half a foot at the base instead of a full foot
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The 1881 SSN: The N's in Regina and Canada only have one-footed left bottom serifs ... just like all of the 1876's. Only half a left foot.
BTW, I traded emails with Dan in Crystal Lake last week and he hasn't done much with coins for the last year or so. However, we may hear from him shortly. It was a shame about the Canadian Copper Coin site ... it was good for a while and lots of old CCRSers came by. I was the moderator for the site, but it got inundated with spam from Eastern Europe and the owner, Shawn, got tired of having them fix it. It went kaput and I was out of a job.
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02/12/2017 5:29 pm
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Since it was mentioned earlier in this thread, here is the info that I have on the 1882 2/1 dies. There were three different Obv 2/1 (probably 1a, not a 1)working dies. We only had room to put 2 of them into the 2011 Charlton... the most common one, with no doublings, and the one with heavy punch doubling. The non-Charlton one is much scarcer than the regular 2/1, but found more often than the HPD. It has minor doubling in Canada and Regina, but the most important marker is the denticles that are well-offset doubled between Vicky and Canada. The denticles look pretty neat and it's the only Vicky that I remember with that type of offset with the denticles. We did take some populations on those 3 types of 2/1. If you had 10 2/1's you would have 1 HPD, 3 type 2's (denticles) and 6 regular 2/1's. You could expect to find 1 of ANY type of 2/1 in 200-250 or so 1882's... so you can see how scarce the HPD really is.
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The 1882H Triple Die - the challenge to 1881SSN as the rarest Victoria Penny. This is Randy's example. My VF30 is sitting at PCGS right now waiting to be slabbed. to add to okie's discussion, for every 10 1882H Heavy Doubling coins, there is 1 1882H Triple die. So if 1882H Heavy doubling is 1:2000 1882s 1882H Triple Die is 1:20000 1882s I have two (VF30, VG8), Randy has this PCGS EF40 details, and I believe Dan has one.  Edited by canadian-varieties
02/12/2017 7:28 pm
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Woohoo! That's #5 known I'm afraid to ask the condition  although so far PCGS does not list any in their population report  |
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There are a couple of other 1882-H Triple dies mentioned on Zonad's original thread, including this one that I found.  |
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OK, thanks for that extra info Okie.
I'll look at my 1882s again. Wasn't aware of the TP.
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