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Odd Strike Through Line On Penny Any Thoughts Would Be Appreciated

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 Posted 02/16/2017  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paleteromanr32 to your friends list
Here is the reverse side pic per request. I hope this brings a lengthy discussion so that I can learn more about it. It may or may not be an actual error, I do not know, either ways it's a cool jar coin, I don't have more than a handful of oddities for cool jar. I'm having great fun learning

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 Posted 02/16/2017  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list
An incomplete punch that deep usually leaves evidence on both sides of the blank. So I'm thinking it was damaged after strike. Thanks, Doug.

http://www.error-ref.com/incomplete-punch/
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 Posted 02/16/2017  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
It looks like PSD. Probably two coins placed between two blocks of wood and hit with a hammer. Note on the reverse, you can see where the outline is visible on the reverse. (below: 'ONE CENT')
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 Posted 02/16/2017  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
PSD.
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 Posted 02/16/2017  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
The last two pics show it a little better. I look at the letters TRUS, and they don't appear widened as one would expect to see if they were smashed. If anything, they appear weaker as would be the case of being struck into the void. The raised area on the back seems to be caused by the void, which in my opinion happened at the mint before the coin was struck, (even a Rockwell hardness test leaves a raised area on one side). Exactly what caused it I do not know, perhaps a collar error? The void is not nearly the width of a rim, and for as deep as it is one would expect to see some design transference as well. I think a possible way to settle this is to place another cent on top of it and see if it fits inside the void or matches it. I would very much like to see a picture of that.
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 Posted 02/16/2017  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The mark on the obverse is from the rim of another coin. Lay another coin on that area and you will see it matches the rim mark on your coin.
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 Posted 02/16/2017  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
It will probably match it or fit inside it, as I just said. Post a picture please.
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 Posted 02/16/2017  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list
A 3/4" OD pipe or tube will also fit. Thanks, Doug.


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I look at the letters TRUS, and they don't appear widened as one would expect to see if they were smashed. If anything, they appear weaker as would be the case of being struck into the void.


Check the known examples of incomplete punch. None show the devices struck deep into the void.
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Halo1st, I never said anything about incomplete punch. Read my reply just before Coop's last comment. And I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong. There is no one on here that can't be wrong. Paleteromanr can only expect my honest opinion. That's why I asked him to place another cent on his coin.
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 Posted 02/16/2017  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
The coin was obviously damaged outside the Mint.
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 Posted 02/16/2017  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
See told ya so...
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 Posted 02/16/2017  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
It had me fooled, especially the parts about no design transference with such a deep line in it and the line being narrower than a rim. I suppose it was damaged by something other than another coin. Thanks for settling it.
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 Posted 02/17/2017  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I would go withthe 3/4 inch pipe. A coin placed on it and hammered hard enough to create that deep trench would have also transferred some incuse and reversed details from the other coin onto the high areas of the coin. (The bust of Lincoln)

The fact that the letters of TRUST are in the bottom of the trench proves it has to be PSD. If the trench had been in the planchet pre-strike the only way to get the letters into the bottom of the trench would be to flatten out or wipe out the trench completely. Think about it, if the trench was pre-strike it was incuse into the planchet, the lettering was incuse into the die. The only way to get the bottom of the trench to reach the lettering in the die would be to flatten it out to the point where the bottom of the trench was at the same level as the field of the coin, and then some to get the metal forced into the recesses in the die.

So the strike came first and then whatever caused the crescent shaped depression.
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 Posted 02/17/2017  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list
Yes Conder. I agree it's PSD. I had it in my head it had to be a mint error, because I knew that deep a trench with all that circumference couldn't have been caused by another cent and not transfer design. Others were saying it was caused by another cent. Then it dawned on me about the time Mike weighed in, that it was probably a pipe or something.
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 Posted 04/02/2017  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add learning to your friends list
just my 2 cents. but I agree with the pipe thing. but thinking (sometimes) it had to be struck twice to see the outer rim lowered and the inner rim lowered and leave a center rim raised. maybe a sspipe small dia. of the right size
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