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New Member
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Here is the reverse side pic per request. I hope this brings a lengthy discussion so that I can learn more about it. It may or may not be an actual error, I do not know, either ways it's a cool jar coin, I don't have more than a handful of oddities for cool jar. I'm having great fun learning 
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United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It looks like PSD. Probably two coins placed between two blocks of wood and hit with a hammer. Note on the reverse, you can see where the outline is visible on the reverse. (below: 'ONE CENT')
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 United States
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PSD. John1 
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The last two pics show it a little better. I look at the letters TRUS, and they don't appear widened as one would expect to see if they were smashed. If anything, they appear weaker as would be the case of being struck into the void. The raised area on the back seems to be caused by the void, which in my opinion happened at the mint before the coin was struck, (even a Rockwell hardness test leaves a raised area on one side). Exactly what caused it I do not know, perhaps a collar error? The void is not nearly the width of a rim, and for as deep as it is one would expect to see some design transference as well. I think a possible way to settle this is to place another cent on top of it and see if it fits inside the void or matches it. I would very much like to see a picture of that.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The mark on the obverse is from the rim of another coin. Lay another coin on that area and you will see it matches the rim mark on your coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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It will probably match it or fit inside it, as I just said. Post a picture please.
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A 3/4" OD pipe or tube will also fit. Thanks, Doug. Quote: I look at the letters TRUS, and they don't appear widened as one would expect to see if they were smashed. If anything, they appear weaker as would be the case of being struck into the void. Check the known examples of incomplete punch. None show the devices struck deep into the void.
Edited by Halo1st 02/16/2017 9:50 pm
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Halo1st, I never said anything about incomplete punch. Read my reply just before Coop's last comment. And I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong. There is no one on here that can't be wrong. Paleteromanr can only expect my honest opinion. That's why I asked him to place another cent on his coin.
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The coin was obviously damaged outside the Mint.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Rest in Peace
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See told ya so... 
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It had me fooled, especially the parts about no design transference with such a deep line in it and the line being narrower than a rim. I suppose it was damaged by something other than another coin. Thanks for settling it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would go withthe 3/4 inch pipe. A coin placed on it and hammered hard enough to create that deep trench would have also transferred some incuse and reversed details from the other coin onto the high areas of the coin. (The bust of Lincoln) The fact that the letters of TRUST are in the bottom of the trench proves it has to be PSD. If the trench had been in the planchet pre-strike the only way to get the letters into the bottom of the trench would be to flatten out or wipe out the trench completely. Think about it, if the trench was pre-strike it was incuse into the planchet, the lettering was incuse into the die. The only way to get the bottom of the trench to reach the lettering in the die would be to flatten it out to the point where the bottom of the trench was at the same level as the field of the coin, and then some to get the metal forced into the recesses in the die. So the strike came first and then whatever caused the crescent shaped depression.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes Conder. I agree it's PSD. I had it in my head it had to be a mint error, because I knew that deep a trench with all that circumference couldn't have been caused by another cent and not transfer design. Others were saying it was caused by another cent. Then it dawned on me about the time Mike weighed in, that it was probably a pipe or something.
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New Member
United States
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just my 2 cents. but I agree with the pipe thing. but thinking (sometimes) it had to be struck twice to see the outer rim lowered and the inner rim lowered and leave a center rim raised. maybe a sspipe small dia. of the right size
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