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1875 CC 20c - You Vs NGC

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 Posted 03/27/2017  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
fine details - environmental damage.
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 Posted 03/27/2017  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bandsdean to your friends list
I'd say Fine-15 but bet NGC said VF-20.
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 Posted 03/27/2017  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Sure hope not.
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 Posted 03/27/2017  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
F-12.
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 Posted 03/27/2017  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
F details, porous/corroded as above, with obverse scratches. Not a wise investment, and you'd have trouble getting out of it later.
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 Posted 03/27/2017  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
If this isn't a details grade then NGC is really lowering their standards, pitted and a good sized staple scratch across the obverse from 2:00 to 9:00.

I agree with Fine Details.
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I would guess Fine Details as well.
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 Posted 03/28/2017  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
F details
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 Posted 03/28/2017  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
Slab grade, F details. Actual grade, VG details.
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Fasten your seat belts for this one....






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 Posted 03/28/2017  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
I think the surface issues are minor enough for the coin to escape a "details" flag. However, they might warrant a little net-grading. NGC appears to have given this piece a bump in the wrong direction. F-15 is where I would have landed.
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 Posted 03/28/2017  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BarberMan2016 to your friends list
I see that major relaxing of standards on these type of coins. Oh well, all new collectors such as myself learn how to
grade and you will develop an eye for quality no matter what TPG.
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 Posted 03/31/2017  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
I could see them bumping it up to F. But, VF is just crazy...
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 Posted 03/31/2017  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
I don't know why NGC shoots itself in the foot like this, but they do. The owner CEO had the gall to send out a message to the public that he was dropping PCGS coins from his registry because PCGS is over grading coins on a regular basis. "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
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 Posted 03/31/2017  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list
Holy cow is that overgraded!
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