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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I've looked at over 50 images on Google in the last hour and must admit that I cannot find this phantom arm on any of them. nickelsearcher deserves a big round of applause.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The more I compare the 2 the more slight differences I am seeing. The knee area looks off and the lines on the rolled up sleeve don't look right either...could be a difference in lighting but I don't think so.  Edited by MontCollector
04/03/2017 7:12 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Right, same here. Makes me want to steer away from raw coins even more. I'm really smacked by this one. It's hard to believe even a TPG grader would catch this.  Edited by Coinfrog
04/03/2017 7:13 pm
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No applause requested for me ... I'm actually saddened to bring this (perhaps) news to our international coin friend who was asking for our help.  simone1978 outstanding images made this easy for us to see his example ... and while I salute the photography I caution as always that education is the key to collector success. My views are by no means the final word ... and while I am confident in my knowledge and shared findings ... I temper them with the expressed opinions of expert numismatists such as billjones who have also weighed in with their views. Suggested in my initial reply there were other anomalies ... and there are plenty that I can see ... MontCollector noted a few ... one more from me .... Focus on the "D" in the obverse legend "GOD" ... the height of that letter is way higher than an authentic example. Quote:
Makes me want to steer away from raw coins even more. Don't go there ... acquire the knowledge to make informed decisions!! Quote:It's hard to believe even a TPG grader would catch this. This should be a slam dunk for PCGS or NGC ... although I have admittedly seen more of this example than some of their newer graders ... especially in circulated state where I often disagree with their opinions. To simone1978 ... I've been busy making a case ... based on your images ... that you have acquired a well made counterfeit ... I might be wrong ... perhaps its your photos? I don't think so however ... and suggest you seek a refund for whatever you paid ... my humble opinion only. David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.artEdited by nickelsearcher
04/03/2017 9:08 pm
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Valued Member
 Italy
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Good morning I woke up with a good news, the currency could be false, cursed those who falsify are to be put on the wall, however, you will move the high-resolution images, hopefully good greetings Simone    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for the close-ups Simone.
I stand corrected on the shape of the 2. In your new pictures it looks more correct. The lines on the sleeve and knee still look off though.
The Mint Mark still looks off in placement as nickelsearcher pointed out. Having said that, was there only one die used to make these?
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Valued Member
Italy
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ask me if you want more detailed images, greetings simone
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was noticing the shape of the back foot was different between the 2 coins, so I decided to do a search for other examples. I was surprised when I ran across this picture of one on the APMEX website. This coin is very similar to the OP's coin in my opinion. Even has same MM placement. http://www.apmex.com/product/72393/...mmem-half-bu Either APMEX is using a picture of a counterfeit or I could be misjudging the OP's coin. |
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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OK, I'm not yet convinced about this coin being a counterfeit. I certainly don't doubt nickelsearcher's expertise, but one thing to consider...
I don't believe the position of the mint mark on the reverse is a marker for being a counterfeit. In 1925, mint marks were hand punched into the dies delivered to the branch mints. With over 86,000 coins struck, it is almost guaranteed that more than one die was used. Besides, if you look at a large enough group of California's, including those in PCGS and NGC holders, you will notice variations in the location of the mint mark.
I'm still "assessing" but I wanted to share my thoughts about the mint mark diagnostic.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This could be right, but I still can't find another pic showing that ghost right arm - to me, this is the main factor.
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Valued Member
Italy
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good morning thanks for the answers, I think there is the second arm, but if there could be a VAM? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have no opinion on this topic, except to say that this is a fascinating thread.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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United States
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Could the phantom arm just be a worn die issue? John1  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Hate to raise a topic from the dead...but did the experts here, decide that this was or was not a counterfeit? I am just getting into commemoratives and I am trying to make sure I do not get burnt by fakes if I can avoid it. |
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