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Canada Silver 25 Cent Bobcat 1967 Vs 2017 - Which One Wins?

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 Posted 08/13/2017  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChuckB to your friends list
I wish my 1967 coins looked as good as yours.
I like them both, now I need to find a better condition 1967 set
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 Posted 08/13/2017  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
@ Earle42
You are probably correct, but both the Mint and the artist called it "bobcat".
Alex Colville spent most of his life in southern New Brunswick and Nova Scotia where there are bobcats but no Canada Lynx, he most likely was not familiar with Lynx taxonomy and used the name most familiar to him.
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 Posted 08/13/2017  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list
More details make the animal look "flat" imo. Or I just unable to see here relief.

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I have a cat at home. She has a long fur, and the muscles not visible. But when I pet her, I feel exactly same relief, that depicted on the coin of 1967 and the 2017 unfortunately lack it.
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 Posted 08/13/2017  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
In Colville's own words:

The wildcat (bobcat) seemed appropriate for this coin, which is large enough for the subtle shape of this common, though rarely seen, animal. It is expressive of a certain intelligent independence and a capacity for formidable action.


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 Posted 08/13/2017  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list

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@ Earle42
You are probably correct, but both the Mint and the artist called it "bobcat".
Alex Colville spent most of his life in southern New Brunswick and Nova Scotia where there are bobcats but no Canada Lynx, he most likely was not familiar with Lynx taxonomy and used the name most familiar to him.


Hey - thanks for this info - and also

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In Colville's own words:

The wildcat (bobcat) seemed appropriate for this coin, which is large enough for the subtle shape of this common, though rarely seen, animal. It is expressive of a certain intelligent independence and a capacity for formidable action.


I am glad you corrected me on this. When I was young and these had come out, the typical word was it was the animals typically associated with Canada - goose, wolf, caribou, lynx, pickeral, beaver, rabbit and a dove (which I did not get the connection with the rabit or dove).

Even a google search for "Canada quarter lynx" or "Canada quarter bobcat" bring up the same pics! So anytime I was referencing this subject, it added to my mistake! I would never have thought to do the bobcat search until you guys educated me.

Another fallacy in my thinking was the larger "side hair" on the head and slightly higher back hip area. These are lynx characteristics.

But the one glaring, and definitive, detail that I never noticed was the length of the tail. The cat on the REV definitely has the bobcat tail.

Thanks for the education!



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 Posted 08/13/2017  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add McNickel to your friends list

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goose, wolf, caribou, lynx, pickeral, beaver, rabbit and a dove


Earle42, I swear I take no joy in pointing this out .... the fish on the dime is a mackerel.

You can read what Colville says about the designs here:
http://coinscan.com/des/1967d.html
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 Posted 08/13/2017  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
@McNickel

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Earle42, I swear I take no joy in pointing this out .... the fish on the dime is a mackerel.


LOL! You might not, but I sure do! Boy I really blew it on two different animals didn't I?


Admittedly, I was thinking Ontario Walleye (pickeral), but again I should have known better. I have caught an awful lot of walleye in the backwaters of Quebec over the years. I just never really thought of how un-Walleye-ish the dime looks comaperd to the live fish. The design reminds me of how the walleye look when on the board ready to be cleaned and thrown into the pot

This is why I like CCF - education for those of us who definitely need it!

Thanks!
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 Posted 08/13/2017  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add headlessone to your friends list
Education for me, as well...I won't even say what I thought the fish was. (salmon)But I never had one in my hand, either. That is until about the 7th or 8th of last month. No kidding here: I got the '67 dime in my change from the grocery store. It was a great belated Canada Day memento. Also, thank=you for the above exchanges regarding the similarities and differences to originals/animals. Eye opening.
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 Posted 08/13/2017  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
The 1967 looks best to me. I have a $20 whitetail with bucks fighting and I bet that it is the same engraver. I don't like it as much as I'd want to, I think it looks very unnatural and bothers me a bit.

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 Posted 08/14/2017  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list
I thought the " rabbit" was actually a Snowshoe Hare?
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 Posted 08/14/2017  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
@ace - I believe you are correct on that one also. From my personal experience, and I grew up close to the border, the snowshoe hare was not something I saw as readily associated with Canada - Northern US states also have them and so I tend to just incorrectly lump them all into "rabbit" when talking about them. I also don't recall ever encountering anything special about any certain type of dove with Canada - I guess I need some research.

I know - there are also beavers all over the US. But us Southerners cross the border, you cannot go any distance at all before there is some reference to Canada involving a beaver and/or moose (which is why I wonder if people not familiar with wildlife call the caribou a moose when they see it on the normal quarters?).


Funny that after all these years - I was in first grade when these came out and I thought they were really great - I never thought to question the explanations from back then. As I grew older, I never ran into anything contrary - and now my CCF family members teach me the facts - always great to learn!

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 Posted 08/14/2017  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add McNickel to your friends list

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Funny that after all these years - I was in first grade when these came out and I thought they were really great - I never thought to question the explanations from back then.


I must confess, when these came out I was 9, for years I thought the 1 cent was a seagull, 5 cent a rabbit, 10 cent was just a fish to me and the quarter was a cougar.

ETA: getting back OT, to me all the original 1867-1967 coins win
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@TheNickelGuy
This is a beautiful medal - but fantasy yes. The only place you see whitetail racks that big is hanging on the wall in the Nebraska Cabelos store (I think this was the one) that has a "museum"of record large whitetail deer mounts from all over.

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 Posted 08/15/2017  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list

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must confess, when these came out I was 9, for years I thought the 1 cent was a seagull, 5 cent a rabbit, 10 cent was just a fish to me and the quarter was a cougar.


So true...
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 Posted 09/05/2017  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list
Found this interesting link regarding Cougar/Bobcat similarities.

http://animals.mom.me/cougar-bobcat...es-3729.html
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