1948 Dollar - Repunched 4 And Hp

In the exonumic world we frequently use: Variety (seen without aid), Minor Variety (size and/or placement of elements require measuring), and Micro Variety (the need to make miniscule comparisons as seen here).

i'd have to side with DBM here if the HP is doubled, and not as a result of Machine Doubling, it is a doubled die..or a tripled die if the HP is tripled etc. it is just a common spot to see the splitting and distortion as most doubled die obverse dollars don't have a very impressive spread. a personal favorite of mine as well as of the market it seems is the 1947 P7 $1 with a quadruple HP..that is a quadrupled die obverse..it is a genuine multiply hubbed obverse die which is easy as day light to see on the " IMP" where the dots between the letters distort to ovals and where the letter bases become and tops become extremely thick. another example for you would be this piece: http://goccf.com/t/283420&SearchTerms=1937,double



but congrats on your discovery, although I agree it's a pretty minor variety, it is still one and brings a lot of fun and interest seeing as it's on a 48 dollar and hasn't been noticed til now. I doubt a dollar value will be attached to this variety when 1948 SWL dollars attract no interest or premiums..but still a cool find

My thoughts on this goes. If I can not see any doubling on a coin using my 10x or 5x loupe then I will not collect it. Most collectors use a 10x and 5x loupe when looking at coins.
Crazyb0 I agree with what you said but limit my variety's
to the above statement when looking for them.

I'll attempt to make a strong argument.

The die marker, notched 4, and apparent doubling under the right crossbar are visible at 10x once you know to look for them. The fact that I first saw these with a microscope at 40x to me is irrelevant. Lumping it in with somebody who thinks they won the lottery because they found some obscure dot with a microscope isn't fair. A pretty large number of "varieties" exist because somebody snooped around with a magnifying glass. Looking around at 40x is no different; it's just a different tool. While the level of magnification might be a threshold for somebody, or the degree of this or that, it's purely arbitrary. Whether it's too small or too minor is subjective. You can tack on "minor" or "micro", but the key issue to me is repeatability.

We document every minuscule nub, die chip and die state for the 1859 large cent. It's relevant because each of these features occur multiple times across many coins. Were they all discovered with the naked eye, at 5x, at 10x? Or are they "obvious" now because someone first saw them with a 40x loupe? I could go on with other examples but you get my point.

The important thing here is also repeatability. There are dozens of examples of this notched 4 on Heritage. There are, as far as I can tell, three different reverse dies used on the 1948. I can pick out whether the notched 4 exists on a coin or not just by looking at the inside of the 9. I have looked at roughly 100 examples, ignoring specimen strikes, and 45 are notched 4, 33 are not, and 21 are not positively identifiable due to image quality. Of those 21, 12 have the vertical die marker, but the image is not good enough to decide. All of the notched 4 have the vertical die marker inside the 9. None of the other two dies have it. Readily identifiable examples range from AU53 to MS65.

As far as "value", I don't see there being any change. Roughly half the coins I've looked at have it. If anything, the dies that don't have it are more rare.

Whether those other two (or more, who knows) dies have a similar or some other thing going on, I can't say since I only have one example in hand. Look and see?

Ultimately it doesn't really matter to me whether this gets documented somewhere, or accepted as a variety or not. Looking at the level of magnification of the pictures for, let's say, the 1951 5/5s in the 2012 Charlton, I'd think a similar sized image would clearly show this repunching for the 1948. But it's up to the experts to decide. Regardless, from now on I'll never _not_ see it or check for it.

These dies do not have the notched 4:
Die #2 has obvious line from 10:00-4:00

Die #3 has no obvious lines, minor striations NW to SE

Specimen die for reference

This is AWESOME,, A quick look at the 1948's I have , and using a 10x loop, looking at the die marker inside the 9 and I have the following:

2 coins have the die marker from 1 to 4
1 coin has the die marker from 11 to 4
1 coin is complete free , no line inside the 9

So am I correct in saying the die marker from 1 to 4 is the notched four? This is what I can see in the four as well.. Don't need super magnification to see it; if I'm correct.