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Calling All VAMers - 1879-S Morgan

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 Posted 12/20/2017  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Perfect! I'd rather have it raw like all the others. You're the VAM-man, SsuperDdave.

Edited for spelling (as usual...)
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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12/20/2017 10:44 am
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 Posted 12/21/2017  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
The most important reason why there will always be some level of uncertainty regarding rarity is the Pittman Act, under which half of all Morgans ever minted were melted - 270 million coins. 260 million of them were sent to Great Britain (look it up, it's a fascinating read) and the final 10 million were recycled into Minor coinage. What we don't know is which ones were melted.

There are certain indications allowing us a few conclusions. The GSA sales showed that a few Carson City years escaped the melt, as a large percentage of the original mintage was released in the sales. Grading populations over time indicate others, like the earlier San Francisco mintages, seem to have survived in large numbers. But for the rest, we can only make the vaguest of estimates based on numbers submitted for grading, and that's iffy because they'll be skewed towards the higher-graded examples in most cases, and we aren't really sure if a bazillion exist in circulated grades because people aren't submitting them.

And none of that has any bearing on the relative rarity of individual die pairs/VAMs. It's reasonable to assume that many die pairs pretty much disappeared completely in the Pittman Act melt, and that a "complete" listing of Morgan die pairs will never be possible. The only thing we have is time and research leading to comparative rarities. Even though this effort has been ongoing for over half a century, there's no doubt that many more individual die pairs remain to be identified, and there will be upsets in the future regarding the rarity of certain varieties.

So the only "pronouncements" available are those we know today. That might change tomorrow.
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 Posted 12/21/2017  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Even more valuable information. Sounds like you've gained a good bit of knowledge on the series and varieties, SsuperDdave. I am appreciative of all the info and for your time.

I am going to try attribution for my other recent Morgan and Peace purchases. I assume that most of the coins will be the "normal" die pairings, but still learning the ropes. Using the photos on the VAM site (and most any other) is difficult on the phone - don't have internet access at home. Maybe Santa will bring that in 2018?
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 Posted 12/21/2017  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Be aware that VAMworld now has a specific link for those browsing from a phone, making it far easier to choose the date you're looking for. It's titled "VAMs by Date - Phone."
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 Posted 04/13/2020  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Resurrecting this old post for an update.

I sent this coin in to PCGS for attribution and grading. It graded VF20 and was originally attributed as VAM-4. I reached out to them before they shipped it back and reminded them that I had requested VAM-56. So, they rerouted back through the process.

The coin was "lost" for several weeks, but when I called again in February, they pushed it through the ERP Eagle crowd and agreed that it was, in fact, VAM-56.

I sent this coin to GC where it is currently up for auction. I will let you know how she does.

Thank you to all the VAM experts at CCF for their comments, advice and knowledge sharing!
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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 Posted 04/13/2020  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JJuliano to your friends list
Just saw it on GC. Well done!
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 Posted 04/13/2020  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
VAM-4? They really missed that one originally. Glad you finally got the correct attribution. Good luck. I'm sure it will catch some attention.
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 Posted 04/16/2020  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list
Wow, very nice bidding and still 10 days to go.
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 Posted 04/16/2020  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list
FYI, NGC does NOT guarantee their VAM attributions.
And, Nice pick!
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 Posted 04/27/2020  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
There was a flurry of bidding at the end of this auction and the coin did better than I dreamed it would. Quite an experience for my first auction. Thanks everyone!
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 Posted 05/01/2020  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiepb to your friends list
I just read this entire post. Congrats Bump111 on the find and attribution. That's quite a nice bid on GC if I'm looking at the right coin. Is yours the 1879-S that just ended last Sunday, April 26?
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 Posted 05/01/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectinsince65 to your friends list
Hey all sorry I missed the original post and updates over time. Can someone add a link to the GC auction results? Thank you
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 Posted 05/02/2020  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Yes, the 1879S VAM 56 ended Sunday night / Monday morning my time. Link is below.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...0-PCGS-VF-20
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 Posted 05/02/2020  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectinsince65 to your friends list
Thanks Bump! Congrats on your awesome auction results!!
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 Posted 05/02/2020  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Very nice result! Congrats....
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