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1878 Morgan VAM 38(?)

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 Posted 07/17/2008  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Dave - it's a Canon Rebel SLR. I've tested pre-picture-taking and post-processing with RAW on the white balances available, but maybe I don't have something else set right to go with it?

Mike - it's hard for me to see 'over polishing', too. I've highlighted the area in red on this picture below of where I think they are talking about for that. The link above for the reverse goes to a much bigger picture so it might be easier to view that one.

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 Posted 07/17/2008  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
xshift,

I have the Canon S5 IS, not an slr but still a Canon. How do you set the White Balance? Are you using a white or photo grey test sheet? If you are using a test sheet, I think I've isolated the problem.
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 Posted 07/17/2008  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Mike,

VAMWorld only lists one key reverse feature to look for (other than 5 TF showing) ... lack of pitting around the letter 'r' in trust. That alone separates it from VAMs 39 and 40.
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 Posted 07/17/2008  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Dave.. yes, the test sheet. I think at one point I tried an ultra white piece of printer paper, then followed Super Dave's suggestion in his photography thread of the coffee filter. Neither has made much of a difference. Is that the culprit?
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 Posted 07/17/2008  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
xshift,

Sounds like your wb is not functioning properly. Using a coffee filter should not return the "yellow" color on this white coin. I have to set the wb whenever I change functions on my S5 IS. The only things I change after setting wb are shutter speed, aperature and focus.
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 Posted 07/17/2008  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
as far as price difference between the VAM-70 and the VAM-38, there is a big difference in price, the VAM-70 is the only TOP100 coin that shares the B1 Reverse (VAM-79 is a HOT50) and the VAM-70 is allot rarer than a VAM-38 so there is a pretty big difference in price between the two because of the rarity of the VAM-70
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 Posted 07/17/2008  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Dave - do you have a usual setting for the shutter speed, aperature and focus (and would you mind sharing?)? It could still be something dumb I'm doing. Maybe I just need to sit down and go thru the manual with a fine-tooth comb.

Bryan1315 - Thanks.. at least I didn't go TOO overboard on it when I thought I was buying a 70..
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 Posted 07/17/2008  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
xshift,

It all depends on the quantity and type of light you're using. I normally shoot in ISO 100 at shutter speeds greater than 1/60 and vary the aperature to get the right exposure. If I need greater depth of field, I'll bump up the ISO or slow the shutter speed so I can increase the aperature. Mines metered through the lens, so I just need to keep out of the "red" zone on the exposure. Oh, and I use a copy stand with dual light set-up.
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 Posted 07/18/2008  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Thanks, Dave. I've been looking at copy stands lately. I have a tripod with the camera pointing straight down but that is sometimes a bit awkward. I've also ordered that new book that's coming out (was supposed to be out the 15th but hasn't yet) on 'numismatic photography' (http://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Ph...7054&sr=8-1) . Thanks for the information.. looks like I've got some tweaking to do
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 Posted 08/19/2008  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Does anyone see any giveaway marks on this coin that would point to why this came back as 'cleaned' from PCGS?
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 Posted 08/19/2008  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
xshift,

I'm at work now so I can't view photobucket pics, but you need to look for any hairline scratches or luster breaks. Check the luster by holding the coin at an angle and tilting it back and forth. If there is no luster on the high points or in the center of the fields, someone has taken a cloth to it. If the coin doesn't have much luster (frostiness), it may have been dipped repeatedly which will remove luster. Sorry for your loss.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list
Does anyone see any giveaway marks on this coin that would point to why this came back as 'cleaned' from PCGS?

If you look at the larger photo of the obverse, you can see the hairlines beneath the chin all the way down to the date.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list

Quote:
If you look at the larger photo of the obverse, you can see the hairlines beneath the chin all the way down to the date.

ugh...

You think ANACS or ICG would at least grade and verify the VAM?
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 Posted 08/20/2008  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mklpatrick to your friends list
Wow, I totally did not think that was a cleaned coin until you mentioned it, Xshift. But looking at the bottom of the obverse like H-Dog mentioned shows hairlines moving in the same direction across the base. If it's cleaned it must have been lightly buffed, from what I can tell. That is a bummer.
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 Posted 08/20/2008  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list
You think ANACS or ICG would at least grade and verify the VAM?

Anacs should slab it with a net grade and verify the VAM,
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