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Morgan Dollars New York Bank Hoard

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 Posted 08/29/2018  10:08 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
According to this pop report, the majority of New York Bank Hoard coins graded 63 or 64, and none graded 61 or 62. Did they just put the grades on labels if they were 64 or higher, and call the 63's BU?

https://coinweek.com/us-coins/coinw...ollar-hoard/
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 Posted 08/29/2018  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list
This it turning out to be quite interesting...

But the question remains, why didn't NGC assign a numerical grade? Isn't that kinda the point of getting a coin slabbed? BU could be anything in the MS range.
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 Posted 08/29/2018  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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. But the question remains, why didn't NGC assign a numerical grade? I


They did but the submitter chose to have the BU listed instead of trying to sell 62s. They had a minimum grade for numerical grades and the ones that didn't reach the threshold got the BU slabs
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 Posted 08/29/2018  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
The OP link is to a $40 Morgan with a $59 label. To each his own however...
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 Posted 08/29/2018  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mtuma3 to your friends list
I've seen ones like that, that were labeled "Stage Coach Series" BU but ungraded... I think they were going for about $50-$55 each for common dates.
Good for breaking out into albums.
Paying an extra $50 to have NY Hoard on the label is not my cup of tea...
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 Posted 08/29/2018  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list
I'm not planning on buying these, was just confused as to why the submitter chose to have them labeled BU rather than a numerical grade. Do TPG services charge more or less for this?
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 Posted 08/29/2018  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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It's cheaper.
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 Posted 08/29/2018  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
If you add up the numbers in the article, all the coins that graded 63 or better, it comes to 12,862. So 3,138 of the coins graded less than 63, nearly 20% of the hoard, these would be coins hardly worth having graded because the fess would be close to the value of the coins and they would be harder to move. So they cut a deal with NGC to slab the entire hoard, that gave them a big discount on the slabbing fees, and then to only put a grade on those coins that graded 63 or better. Those that don't receive a numerical grade got the generic Brilliant Uncirculated label with an even greater reduction in fees. They were probably slabbed at $5 to $8 per coin. That gave the submitter a larger profit margin to make up for the time it would take to sell them. Frequently coins like that are then sold in bulk to the TV people to sell at inflated prices to non-collectors after the story is hyped. This is seen for many large hoards that get slabbed.
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 Posted 09/01/2018  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mavs2583 to your friends list
Thanks to everyone who clarified this, I mean isn't the point of having a coin in a slab to 1. verify its authenticity, and 2. get a grade? Doesn't seem like it's worth a premium to get an ungraded example.
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 Posted 09/01/2018  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
The same approach was used with coins from the Binion Hoard hoard, among others.
The vast majority of the coins will be bargain-slabbed with these non-grades.

The "best of the rest" will receive separate grading and probably special labels.
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 Posted 09/02/2018  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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isn't the point of having a coin in a slab to 1. verify its authenticity, and 2. get a grade? Doesn't seem like it's worth a premium to get an ungraded example.

Usually, but in the case of publicized/hyped hoards, there really isn't any question about authenticity, and by having the whole hoard put in holders the submitter one, saves on fees, two, saves even more on fees by not having the low end coins numerically graded, and three still get the low end coins in a slab that identifies them as being part of the hoard allowing them to be sold at a inflated price. Having a numerical grade on the low end coins would not significantly increase their hyped price, but would increase the over all cost for slabbing the deal.

And to continue the theme I started earlier, these are common date/mint coins and 63's usually don't bring a larger premium for them either. 40% of the hoard were 63's.
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 Posted 09/03/2018  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list
This was also to save time and money probably. This hoard had 16,000 morgans. Imagine sitting all day grading multiple hundreds of the same date and mintmark. I'm sure when they were being sorted they knew which ones would grade super high and the ones that would be ms63/64 range. NGC graded all of them. I know there were quite a few higher grade examples that came out like ms67 grades and a few super toners.
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 Posted 09/04/2018  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dino to your friends list
Makes me wonder how many more bags are out there languishing in bank vaults.
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 Posted 09/04/2018  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I have no idea, but I am sure there are more of them.
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Years ago, (1990's), I was a communications system installer. I was running phone and computer wiring in a bank downtown. I had a particularly difficult run, through old stone foundation walls out towards the street side of the bank. There was a small door, about 4' tall with a padlock on it, and thinking it may be a way to get wires to the area on the other side of the bank I got access to it. Behind this was a dank room, actually under sidewalk above. To the left was a combination wheel in a steel door...hmmm waddaya think? The old bank vault. I asked if they ever used it anymore, and they said it hadn't been opened in nearly 40 years, but now nobody had the old combination. It was assumed that at the time the room was walled off, that safe had only been used to store records, the main safe in the building dates from the 40's. But yea, I sure did envision BAGS of old silver, hidden underneath the old rotting file boxes...Note to self, take on-line safecracking course!

There was another door with a padlock on it leading into an area UNDER the street as well. It was then I found out about the tunnels all over town, used during the Civil War to hide runaway slaves and for inter-business commerce. Had access all the way over to the old Ice House and Railroad station. Most all has been filled in or torn up for utilities now. Doors like this was usually a city maintenance access.
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