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Valued Member
United States
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Agreed still very cool, still looking for one of these
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Even without a date, still a cool find!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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A coin dealer friend of mine brought a few hundred examples of gross errors to Sydney from the 'States, several years ago, for his stock list. Although I have never seen any since that time, and I really treasure the examples I have, I suspect that they are not that rare.
I suspect that such gross errors may have been secreted out of the Mint by some or other clandestine means. My suspicion rests on the fact that such errors, mainly of hugely off center strikes, are so obvious that they should have been easily spotted by normal means, and under normal circumstances, should have never escaped from the Mint.
Perhaps someone else in the CCF may be able to come up with a better explanation than mine.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I can't imagine a mint worker willing to jeopardize their job to smuggle this out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Billions of cents are minted every year; I doubt if every single one is eyeballed for quality control by a mint employee. Not worth the time. Even the sorting equipment probably only filters so much out before it goes into a bag and out of the building.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If the mint had a .001% (That's one thousandth of 1%) rate of errors getting out, the 4 billion mintage of cents from ONE mint would be 40,000 errors getting out each year.
Edited by Conder101 09/27/2018 4:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Smuggled Out.By Some Mint Employee? Anything is possible, but I'm thinking any riddling or sifting devices of the time would pass this coin easier than a plain or properly struck cent. The diameter of the unstruck portion of the planchet diameter, even though extended from off center strike, the majority or in one direction is less than 19mm. I'm thinking any sifter sized for cents would need to be slightly larger to allow normal 19mm sized struck coins through without clogging up the system. If they ran every coin straight up and flush to or through a tube, might would be a different story. Thanks, Doug.
Edited by Halo1st 09/27/2018 11:28 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The value of an undated Lincoln Cent off center strike (particularly a dateless one) is too low to be worth the risk to a mint employee smuggling it out of the mint. "Smuggled" errors tend to be spectacular or impossible ones, like a strike of a coin on a non-mint made token, ect
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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From what I understand, coins are chosen at random from batches to test for quality control. One-off errors like this are much more likely to sneak their way through into Mint bags (especially then) than, for example, an extreme die clash where every single coin in the batch shows the error.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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As a parallel, I have a British Penny that is about 60 % of the correct weight. The Tower Mint in London was being closed down, because the new Royal Mint facility in Llanstrisant Wales, was to be the new location. Employees at the old Mint facility in London did not want to move to Wales, and protested about effectively loosing their job. As a protest, they deliberately made lots of gross errors. They were collected from the minting presses, and simply thrown over the perimeter wall of the old London Mint, to be picked up by passers by in the surrounding streets outside the Mint. My British error penny happens to be one of these.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I came across another very similar piece today.  
Colligo ergo sum
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Moderator
 United States
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That might just be the most offset strike I've ever seen!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Lucky Cuss, that's a very nice Off Center Strike!
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12477 Posts |
That looks like it could transition to guitar pick very easily. 
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My theory on these type of things was they could be found in mint sewn bags back in the day. They got through at the mint and shipped to the federal reserve banks. At this point though, they are shipped by the hundreds of thousands of coins in Ballistic Bags on metal pallets to armored carriers for rolling and distribution. I happen to think that's how more of these have turned up in the last foew decades in pristine examples. The armored carriers are pulling the rejects from their machines and putting them on the market instead of them getting destroyed as defective along the way. Even the fed when they were doing the sorting and rolling would save them and return them to the mint as defective/damaged for destruction when they found them, but since the armored carriers took over distribution I think they play a good roll in how so many are now out there for sale. Anyways, that's what I think is happening. The mint strikes billions and wouldn't care. The Fed would want the credit for the defective pennies and send them back. But the armored carriers I could see those employees making switch outs and taking the rolling machine rejects home to sell as mint error and supplement their income... as long as nothing is missing I don't think anyone would care.
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