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LSC D 2018 Broken Planchet? Broken Die? Out Of Loomis Roll

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 Posted 01/04/2019  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JADubya to your friends list
I will get a better pic and weight when I get home it looks like something came across the face taking this portion there are multiple smaller chunks missing right before the left side of face and on face then there are streaks running from the right face until the chunk that is missing
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 Posted 01/04/2019  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JADubya to your friends list
Also the reverse was unaffected except light streaking... It was fully struck making me think something other than
struck through
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 Posted 01/04/2019  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sullysullinburg to your friends list
As others said, better photos would help. Currently, I'm leaning toward so type of strikethrough but, could be some type of lamination before it was plated.
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 Posted 01/04/2019  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I do not think strike through because
the surface texture of the affected area does not suggest this.

The cause of lamination failures are often the result of a metal impurity being rolled into the metal strip (before blanking).
In this case, a droplet of oil may have been the sort of impurity that would be the cause of what we see in this case. The oil droplet could have been rolled out and had affected quite a large area of blanking strip.
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 Posted 01/04/2019  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
It is damaged. I have a coin with three such scrapes. My first thought was "struck through" but closer inspection showed raised metal along the edges of the grooves.
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 Posted 01/05/2019  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
We need to wait for better pics,front and back and a weight. I think the zinc core is pure zinc,so how could it have a LAM before copper plating. I was leaning towards a struck through from the get go,but will wait for better pics.
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 Posted 01/05/2019  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Single metal ingots CAN have flaws that result in laminations.)

I have a bit of a problem with PSD in that the rims seem fairly well formed and not damaged. A lamination could still give you good rims. A strike through could possibly as well. With a lamination, especially one this large I would theink there should be some weakness on the reverse. A strike though on the other hand would have a well struck reverse due to the extra material present during the strike.
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 Posted 01/05/2019  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
I cropped, reoriented, and enhanced a portion of the original photo. I marked three ares with different colors. Here is the enhanced photo:

LSC-D-2018-Broken-Planchet?-Broken-Die?-Out-Of-Loomis-Roll

The circled areas point to three different concerns I see with this coin. The red circle at the rim shows some flattening of the rim. The coin isn't mangled, but has been squeezed in this area by something. Clearer photos of the affected area and the full obverse and reverse will be vital.

The yellow circled area shows something either removed from the surface or added to the surface surrounding the curve of the zero in the date. (The original photo is not clear enough to tell which situation exists.) The curve of the zero, however, does not appear to be damaged. IMHO, a strike-through would have damaged the curve of the zero and not wrapped around the curve.

The green circled area shows what appears to be concentric contact marks on the coin. These marks do not have the same orientation as the gouges across Lincoln's face or the two different marks or layers covering the last two digits of the date north toward the motto. I find it interesting that the two linear marks are oriented differently, NNW-ESE at the top and NNE-WSW on the bottom.

One possibility to throw out there would be damage caused during the bulk bagging process. A cent caught in the neck of the bulk bag during the crimping/sealing process could receive both linear surface damage and significant gouges.

Anyway, clearer photos would help.
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 Posted 01/06/2019  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list

Quote:
Single metal ingots CAN have flaws that result in laminations


I agree. Said as much last July.

http://goccf.com/t/323562&whichpage...9123#2759123
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 Posted 01/06/2019  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JADubya to your friends list
The weight is 2.5 I'm working on getting a better photo my phone's camera is not the best thank you your replies and knowledge
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 Posted 01/08/2019  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
Interesting coin because it seems PSD, but......

Could this be a "Rolling indentation" caused by a "Rolling mill Error"?

Similar to the images in this LINK? http://www.error-ref.com/rolling-mi...indentation/ at error-ref.com .

Could a foreign object have been rolled into the zinc strip, fallen or knocked out in the upsetting mill, the blank planchet gets plated, and then gets struck by the dies causing the anomaly on this coin?

Just wondering.
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 Posted 01/08/2019  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
Petespockets55;
Interesting post, thanks for posting.

JADubya:
To test this we will need to see a full coin photo of both sides.
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 Posted 01/09/2019  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Either way it didn't happen during the strike. So it is PSD.
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 Posted 01/10/2019  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
But if it happened at the rolling mill that is before the strike and a planchet error, correct?

It just looked like the rims were there (from the upsetting mill) with some circulation damage. The anomaly seems too close to the rim to be PSD without affecting the rims more.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  07:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
My strong thinking on this one, is that it is a blanking error (not a planchet error), to explain what we see now.

I could well be induced to form a different opinion
if
I could see a picture of the reverse, and another picture of the obverse with a different lighting angle.
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If a piece has spalled off due to lamination failure, that would result in a Zincoln weighing a tiny bit less than 2.5gm,
or
a standard bronze cent weighing a tiny bit less than 3.11 gm, but I most probably more than 2.5 gm.
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