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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I know what it states but silver and gold do change if the environmental conditions are right.
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
So you know what it states but want to start rumors?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4692 Posts |
Well, a copper coin in a RD holder that has brown spots on it isn't going to get RD money, so I think that this is mostly academic unless someone is buying a coin sight unseen. Now a good question would be if CAC has an expiration since I think they buy CAC coins sight unseen, right?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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5. Deterioration of Certain Coins. The NGC Guarantee does not apply to certain Coins where the appearance of the Coin changes or deteriorates over time and such change or deterioration is responsible for any discrepancy between the assigned grade and the Coin's actual grade. NGC shall make the sole reasonable determination as to whether this deterioration has occurred. The following specific parameters apply:
a. In certain Coins, natural environmental deterioration may cause undesired features to appear, such as (but not limited to) spotting, hazing, PVC and corrosion. Spots, for example, can occur on modern silver Coins as a result of the minting process or other natural conditions over which NGC has no control. Therefore, the NGC Guarantee does not apply to Coins exhibiting any of these issues.
b. Coins made of copper, bronze and brass or are copper-plated can change over time. Accordingly, with regard to copper, bronze, brass or copper-plated Coins graded by NGC, the grade portion of the NGC Guarantee will no longer apply after the 10-year anniversary of their date of encapsulation by NGC. The expiration date of the grade portion of the NGC Guarantee can be found by entering the Coin's certification number in the Verify NGC Certification section of the NGC website or by contacting NGC Customer Service. Since NGC doesn't state what "Certain Coins" are, and NGC solely determines whether deterioration has occurred, it looks to me like NGC has covered themselves pretty well, to include silver and gold coins not just copper.  At least with the a copper coin, doing a cert check tells you when the coin was graded  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
852 Posts |
So if the grade on copper coins expires after 10 years does that mean the coin drops out of set registries?
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Bedrock of the Community
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So if the grade on copper coins expires after 10 years does that mean the coin drops out of set registries? If the cert number gets killed at the end of the 10 years it would. I don't know if they kill the cert at the end, but I would think that they just keep it active you just can't ever use the guarantee for it |
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Valued Member
Australia
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Some of our Australian pre-decimal coins graded by NGC-PCGS as RB look BN. Some graded BN look RB. Some graded RD look RB. Some graded RB look RD. Maybe one day we will have Aussie collectors grading our copper instead of Yanks...
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Bedrock of the Community
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Some of our Australian pre-decimal coins graded by NGC-PCGS as RB look BN. Some graded BN look RB. Some graded RD look RB. Some graded RB look RD. Maybe one day we will have Aussie collectors grading our copper instead of Yanks... Actually understanding what the designations mean helps a lot. RED for PCGS is 95% or more RED Red for NGC is 85% or more |
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Valued Member
Australia
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NA..The RD designation for Australian pre-decimal Bronze composition coins which have 97% copper-2.5% zinc and 0.5% tin should be a coin that is Full Blazing Mint Red. RB designation should be from half red half brown. There should be a BR designation where there is more than 50% brown. The BN grade is a coin that has no red or orange and is all brown..The Aussie way is Full Blazing Mint Red--Mostly Mint Red---Mint Brown + Red. Mint Brown...We play on a level field over here.
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Bedrock of the Community
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NA..The RD designation for Australian pre-decimal Bronze composition coins which have 97% copper-2.5% zinc and 0.5% tin should be a coin that is Full Blazing Mint Red. RB designation should be from half red half brown. There should be a BR designation where there is more than 50% brown. The BN grade is a coin that has no red or orange and is all brown..The Aussie way is Full Blazing Mint Red--Mostly Mint Red---Mint Brown + Red. Mint Brown...We play on a level field over here. You're using your own standards and then criticizing them for not following your standards. They do it exactly how they say they do, so no they weren't wrong in their designations BN should be essentially fully brown, anything with both should be RB if it doesn't qualify for RD. RB literally means Red Brown not less than 50% brown Edited by basebal21
03/26/2019 5:27 pm
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Valued Member
Australia
145 Posts |
"YES" I do use my own standards when buying a Australian penny or half penny. Will only pay the RD price if it's full blazing mint red. Will only pay the RB price if it's mostly mint red. I have been around to long as to go racing out to buy a penny just because NGC-PCGS reckon it's RD or RB...So as you know it's not the designation but the coin inside the slab...NGC-PCGS are not perfect, but it's a lot better than dealers+ auction houses who overgrade there raw junk...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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OK so they will grade to their standards, and you will buy the coins that you like. Hmmm, buying coins that you like and not because of what the label says. Wow, what a concept!  |
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Valued Member
Australia
145 Posts |
Glad I could help with the WOW concept..  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2602 Posts |
This is just a way for certification companies to keep getting money for re-certifying and re-holdering. Eventually the guarantee will drop from 10 years to 5 then to 2 years.
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Valued Member
United States
345 Posts |
Creates a need to read the fine print at PCGS ! Alters my thought process on which coins to grade / store raw ...
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