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Fantastic coin! It also looks like there might be a decent W-E die crack across Lincoln's skull at the hairline. @E&V, two quick questions. Would the full description be "a die crack with an interior die break?" And when did cuds-on-coins change the name of a Retained Cud to a pre-cud? Thanks! FtC |
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Would the full description be "a die crack with an interior die break?" That would be correct. Quote:And when did cuds-on-coins change the name of a Retained Cud to a pre-cud? I was referring to a rim to rim Die Crack with no displacement. Here's a rim to rim Die Crack. http://www.error-ref.com/die-crack-rim-to-rim/Errers and Varietys.
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Thanks FtC! I'm not seeing anything at the WE. I inspected it closely.  |
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Cool find! IDB (interior die break) that's going to eventually become a Cud on the Die. Nice coin as well. -CH2$ Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage
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Thanks CH27, E&V, I think I just got it!  I believe what u mean is, that eventually, the coins following this one turned into a Cud. |
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I'm not sure I understand all that E but, The die(reverse) that made that coin is cracked. It will be pounded upon by the other (obverse) die. Each time a coin is minted by that pair of dies the die will weaken and the crack will grow. Eventually it will reach the rim becoming a rim-to-rim die crack. Not only will it grow across the face of the die but down into the die also. At some point that part of the die will split away from the rest of the die. If it stays in place you will get separation that shows on the coin as a Retained Cud. then finally the separated part of the die will fall out and the coin next coin will have a Cud. I know this is a little long winded. Sorry. |
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Yes! @PamG, forgive my incorrect terminology. One of The coins following a later die would have the Cud. The die would have the break causing the Cud. -CH27 Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage
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02/25/2019 11:17 pm
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Thanks DrDon, its so exciting when I actually learn and understand something new!  and thanks to everyone who helps me every time! |
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You are welcome. Happy hunting.
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This one looks like a Retained Cud to me. Note the wheat lines? The outside lines near the edge near the crack, is out of line very slightly. |
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My question about the nomenclature change on cuds-on-coins was slightly off topic. I noticed this week that cuds-on-coins has changed the name " Retained Cud" to "pre-cud." I don't like the new term. " Retained Cud" more accurately describes what is happening with the die. JMHO. |
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Fortcollins, I agree with you. I don't like how it's now called a "pre-cud" instead of " Retained Cud". I don't know why it was changed. I'll have a very hard time accepting that new term. Errers and Varietys.
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You might ask them about the definition change?
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Edited by Halo1st
02/26/2019 10:07 pm
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They both mean the same thing. Retained may give the idea that the area is held in place by the collar. But the die breaks lower and the area in question is able to move during the strike. Eventually it will fall off the die leaving an area called a Cud.  A big enough crack through the die will leave a split die.  |
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