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Bedrock of the Community
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Critical grading points look different from pic to pic. AU-58 at worst, very possibly 63 or so.
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United States
484 Posts |
Tint bit of rub on the cheek and eagle's shoulder. AU58
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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These photos put the grade all over the place. AU-58 based on some of the photos. Hard to believe they are all of the same coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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AU58 but nasty scratch on reverse
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Valued Member
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Thanks a lot for your help! :-) The mint lu#65279;ster is a good indicator for traces of harm. Unfortunately it very hard to show it. That is why I made a video. Does it affect your Opinion about the coin? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GcSnnDktQ |
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Pillar of the Community
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Video appears to show strong luster which is not apparent in the still photos. I agree with minimum AU-58 and a potential for up to MS-63.
The "scratch" on the reverse appears to pass under the R in TRUST. Makes me think it could be a planchet flaw rather than post-mint damage.
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Thank you very much for your opinion. I think that this coin would be MS 62 or MS 63. It has a lot of luster and just a few scratches. The leak of detail at the obverse seems to be normal. All the MS 65/66 pieces I can find at the Internet have a weak strike as well. I think that this coin is much better than the average and I am happy to have it in my type collection  |
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After seeing the video I think it makes a MS grade, low end MS61/62 at least. The high areas on the Pratt incuse designed coins is the field, so that is the place to see wear, not on the eagle, lettering, etc. Unlike other coins the incuse cut coins are a different beast to grade. The luster does appear to be present as a continuous cartwheel from the video. Makes for a nice type gold coin for a set like you describe. Thanks for sharing Alexthegreat!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I submitted the coin to NGC and its MS63 :)
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice Alex! Glad you got an UNC grade straight out of it.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Hello Alex,
Are your Indian Gold coins getting graded by NGC in Germany? I was off on everything you posted with NGC grades by 2 or 3 grade numbers.
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My understanding - unless it's changed in the past year or so, is all coins graded by NGC are done so here in the United States offices, and the worldwide offices are for submissions only and to help expedite shipping here to USA and back. Please correct me if I am wrong. EDIT: Found this on NGC website; https://www.NGCcoin.de/news/article...ch-in-March/Quote:
Regular submissions to NGC GmbH are shipped with insurance to the companies' headquarters in the US for grading and, if requested, conservation. After grading, submissions are shipped back to NGC GmbH in Munich (again with insurance) to be returned to the submitters. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
02/24/2020 4:47 pm
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My english is not the best, but I will try to write an useful answer: No, the coins were gradet in Munich during an onside grading event. Some cowboys  came from the US and gradet 10000 coins within 8 days. I was not realy suprised by the results. I sent in 8 coins. 3 got 1 grade better than expected, 2 coins got 1 grade lower. I looked at a lot of photos/videos of incused Indians and after learning that field and luster make the grade they are not so hard to handle. Lots of people in this forum give AU58 grades to coins with shiny fields, because of they confuse a weak strike with rub. The field is the highest point on these coins. Thats why a coin with a good luster in the field can not be affected by mentionable traces of harme on the Indian. All the Au58 pieces have almost no luster in the fields. This $5 Inidian Head 1912 for example is my best coin of the type in terms of luster and low amount of scatches. So I tought it would grade higher than all the other Indians. Maybe I will try it one more time with the next submission. I am very sure that MS63 is a rather conservative grade for this coin. |
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