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Are "Rainbow" Toned Silver Dollars Really This Popular?

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 Posted 04/12/2019  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add punman to your friends list
Keith12, is it worth a lot more than the un-toned version in same condition?
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 Posted 04/12/2019  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Rainbow toned coins have a major problem.
Why?
All coins tone. That is, unless they are prevented from doing so.

The reason has to do with the fact that the toning is extremely delicate from a chemical point of view, and as a result, can be unstable over the long term.

You buy a really attractive rainbow toned coin, then a few months or years later, most of the beautiful color is gone. Such coins need to be completely sealed from the atmosphere, or they will loose their attraction.

The only way that it is possible to maintain a rainbow toning is to seal the coin in a very stable environment, such high integrity air tight sealed holder.
That form of protection may be at odds, when it comes to the way present and store all other coins in your collection.



There is always the temptation for the fraudster to carefully heat treat a blast white coin, to artificially create a beautiful rainbow toning, then try to sell it.
Rainbow toning is really a very mild form of corrosion.
Therein lies some of the reasons why I prefer original blast white coins in high MS grades.
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 Posted 04/12/2019  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
punman the toning alone probably bumps in a few hundred in value plus the reverse looks MS65
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 Posted 04/12/2019  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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There is always the temptation for the fraudster to carefully heat treat a blast white coin, to artificially create a beautiful rainbow toning, then try to sell it.


It's no where near that simple or easy. The rainbows have to have the right look for big premiums and the heat ones have a different look.

There's plenty of examples of beautifully toned coins that have remained the same for decades
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 Posted 04/12/2019  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add punman to your friends list
I guess if I found a "pretty" toned coin I could get it as an add on to my collection, but it would stand out like a sore thumb in my album and I would not like that. Original blast white coin is what I would be looking for.
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 Posted 04/12/2019  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
As beautiful as some toning looks, the term "toning" is a just a better sounding word than "tarnished" when selling these coins. So, as has been stated, these coins must be stored properly b/c the tarnishing will continue until the silver is dark.

As Basebal said, the artificial toning is a different look. You can google this topic and find places where the differences are described and shown. I did this quite some time ago but admit I forgot the details except to say I remember something about the colors being different or in different sequence than natural tarnishing (oops) toning

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 Posted 04/12/2019  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pauldog to your friends list
What about toning from the use of liver of sulphur or hard boiled eggs? I've experimented with eggs out of curiosity, and found that the resuts varied a lot - from fairly intense rainbow effects all over a coin, to a small amount of patchy brownish areas, and no way to know in advance.
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 Posted 04/13/2019  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
The cliff notes condensed version on toning is that all that matters is the final look of it. Anyone who claims they can 100 percent say how some toning happened (short of being in a tightly controlled sealed mint bag) is over estimating their ability.

With that said, no it is not easy to replicate the looks that bring premiums. If it was so easy it would be happening everywhere and the premiums would erode.

There's specific looks that get the huge premiums. Just think of toning like art, anyone can like or dislike various looks of it but understand how the market views a certain look in general
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 Posted 04/13/2019  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Muskokarocks to your friends list
I love toned coins and will pay a premium for naturaly album toned coins. To me I would not buy anything from this seller. It apears to me these are artificaly toned. His discriptions also seem to suggest they are. It looks like buyers like them.
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 Posted 04/13/2019  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Many of the Canadian dollars have outstanding colorful toning that comes naturally from the materials used by the RCM for commemorative boxes and the "fancy" specimen/proof set holders (i.e. non-poly.)

However, this also makes white examples good candidates for artificial toning. Done properly, it is indistinguishable from natural toning, by the average collector or by a TPG. Otherwise, it is more easily detected as "artificial" toning due to patterns, colors, etc.

Two of my Canadian dollars, the first is in its original packaging (not a TPG), the second was already "slabbed" when purchased.

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Another raw example from my collection, this 1966 Irish 10 shilling obtained its colors from its storage box, much like the BC dollar above.

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Of course, even being in the OGP is no guarantee that a coin hasn't been artificially "enhanced". However, over a lifetime of collecting, you get a feel for certain issues that are known to tone spectacularly because of quirks of their boxes/holders, and the Canadian commemorative and specimen dollars are one such example.
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 Posted 04/13/2019  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list
The 1971 Canadian silver dollar you show is one that really toned nice I've seen some real nice coloured ones, I have a few that I purchased by the BC Government at $3.00 each in 1971 and like you mentioned something in the packaging toned them over time. I always thought it might have been the white protection cover that they come with?
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 Posted 04/13/2019  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Mine has a red lined black box with a black insert; I think the red "lining" is the source, but who knows.
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 Posted 04/15/2019  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list
This is one of my favorite coins. It almost looks like a ship on at sea on a cloudy night.

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 Posted 04/16/2019  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lakeman to your friends list
Awesome Coin purelywasted! I picked one up last month but unfortunately not toned like yours...
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 Posted 04/16/2019  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inconnu to your friends list
That is a gorgeous 49. It's tough to tell from the photo, but is cobalt the dominant toning? My 49 is my favourite coin and it has a dominant cobalt with gold shading.
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