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Sorry Fuzzy 317. I think I have everything combined below and deleted all else. Rookie2018 and macmercury: Luckily I have saved everything. Every paper, every email, shipping receipts, etc. Silverwolf - I figured it would be reasonably safe due to his long time as a dealer. He attends shows every weekend even now. Basebal21: I have been in contact with Lyn Stevens who is a lawyer who specializes in numismatic cases. Also, thanks for your info about the ANA mediation services. I had thought that might be the case. |
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I would say that this is an unpaid debt, not a theft. That might seem to be a technicality, but it would be important for a lawyer. Many years ago a dealer was very slow to pay me for something I sent, although it was under $1000. I contacted the local Better Business Bureau, and he paid up. Needless to say I have not dealt with him again.
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Better Business Bureau You might want to check with them also. |
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In situations like this it sure would be nice if Guido and Vinny could pay him a visit (like in the old days)!
Things like this usually stem from cash flow problems. He has no cash so there is no flow.
The sad thing is this dealer is probably hoping you die a sudden death and that your heirs will then have no idea what became of your coins. If he has done you this way he has probably done it to others, too.
The biggest nightmare right now would be if this dealer gets wind of pending civil or criminal litigation and decides his only recourse is to file bankruptcy. If he does that then you'll probably lose everything.
You need to consult with a lawyer ... NOW ... to discuss the situation, your options and plan a course of action.
Good luck and please keep us updated.
Edited by westernsky
07/18/2019 2:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Appears to be breach of contract not theft as the facts stand. There may be deadlines for you to pursue legal action. You need to consult with an attorney as soon as possible and get the ball rolling. Seems like a fairly simple action that most attorneys could handle. Hopefully the dealer involved has assets for a judgement to attach to depending on how he has his business set up.
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Latest update: Unfortunately not much has changed. I have called the dealer twice this week and continue to get the same excuses. He apologizes and promises that funds will be on the way soon but that is the same thing I have been hearing over and over for months. Tomorrow I will give a call to lawyer Lyn Stevens and see about having a demand notice sent to him, as suggested by several posters, in the hopes of motivating him. If nothing else, that should prevent any problems with reaching a statute of limitations should a lawsuit become necessary. It will show that action has been taken.
An internet search shows that the dealer has a less than perfect reputation but I find no reports of him outright stealing. Of course there is a first time for everything.
Thanks for all the advice folks!
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Bedrock of the Community
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With that update, If I were in your shoes I would definitely try and have any of your coins that haven't sold yet to be returned to you
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Actually he did return 17 unsold items a long time ago. The other 88 that he owes me for have all been sold though so there is unfortunately nothing left to return.
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Pillar of the Community
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Ace mike...
Thanks for the update.
I hope your lawyer's demand letter motivates the dealer to start paying you. I hope he does not run to bankruptcy court. Desperate people do desperate things.
Please keep us posted. Good luck!
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07/25/2019 7:12 pm
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Don't slabs have a registration number on them? Report those numbers as missing/stolen/borrowed with the grader, then if they ever get an inquiry on them, you could be alerted. That way you could have "proof" that the dealer distributed them in some manner.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Unfortunately the TPG's don't have a stolen coin database. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If OJ Simpson was you he would break into the dealer's store and steal the coins back, along with others commensurate with the value of those you originally consigned
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Pillar of the Community
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ACE...did you have a contract for the consignment with pictures of all the slabs or a description and numbers...report these as stolen to the seller's police department. He seems to be acknowledging that he both received them and sold them...pursue to the fullest extent of the law...contact all the numismatic groups he is a member of.
KK
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