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but then again, you may have a point, as I have never seen a label moved around like this before either, and the seller has a 0 feedback, so you may have something there. still, it does seem to match up with the NGC certification page in the following link. ? https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/3779549-001/70/something weird may be going on... or not. mike |
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Both the coin and slab in that ebay link are fake. The coin has no frosting and the front and back labels are not close to proper positioning. |
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So this is a fake that somehow slipped by NGC then GrapeCollects? The second link is from the NGC certification webpage. btw, I am not doubting your opinion.
mike
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Ok, I think I know now what you are getting at. The NGC certification page is of the real deal, however, as you say, the ebay link shows both a fake coin and label? makes sense as I have never seen a label "slip" before, for starters, plus what you added about the coin itself. mike |
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You misunderstood. The holder is fake, the label is fake, the coin is fake. The whole shebang is fake. The one on NGC exists, this just isn't it.
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And yet, we still have the mystery of the original question, yet stumbled upon a fake as an example, it would seem... Why would the label, of which there are other examples of, have a "P" in the label, when others do not, when the "P" mintmark is already engraved into the coin, while others do not, such as this example, where the "P" MM is engraved in the 5 o'clock position... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Australia-...AOSwaA5WjDMm |
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No, I get it now GrapeCollects and agree fully, the whole dang shebang is a fake... mike
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As far as the original question goes, I will simply email the Perth Mint. Thanks to all for your replies, my bad luck was to stumble upon a fake as an example. thanks again... mike |
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Another key to id'ing it as fake is the no returns policy.
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P is Perth. 75,712 is the mintage. They were sold in mint condition in acrylic capsules. (Real-fake-real-fake)     I looked at some of my NGC encapsulated coins and the later submissions have a colour-shift diamond, the older ones don't - they seem to change it often. The ebay thing has never been near NGC and will be reported hopefully. |
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Something for American collectors regarding NGC counterfeiting.   That is a Chinese copy coin being sold for approximately half of what the relatively common 1881s Morgan currently sells for. It has the hologram, the diamond, looks good. It's 90% silver and weighs 26.7g They are not targeting rarities - they are getting clever and sneaky. Anyone can buy that for half what it's worth and sell it - they have full deniability and can simply plead ignorance if challenged. The margin there is only a hundred dollars or less - but a 100 dollars is 100 dollars. I don't know US coins at all and maybe USA collectors can see what I don't - probably. Here is the real one:  China are trouble for this hobby. # |
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Whenever I consider a coin and see that it will be coming from China... my hands tremble, my body sweats, cannot pull the trigger. So what is happening is that even the labels are faked? I guess the best thing to do is just go to the NGC website, hopefully it will have pictures and compare the coins on the certification page between the ebay pictures. Pretty easy, especially on these older coins that have their personality quirks and scratches and stuff all over them. What seems to be a somewhat common thing is that those sneaky Chinamen (NO OFFENSE TO THE Chinese) is that a few of them have yet to learn, at least back a while, that the figure is supposed to be more shiny than the field, or at least be shiny somewhere. Maybe on these older coins it was not that way. What concerns me is how many Americans have bought these fakes, discovered that they were fakes and then try to pawn them off on ebay. Then, as far as we know, they must be real, right? ahhh, noooo. It is a blessing when NGC has the actual coin pictured so a comparison can be done. or am I just stating the obvious again? mike |
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The whole slab, label etc is faked. You can see pictures online but I think older non-pictured coins are often the target.
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