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No Date Copper LMC Struck Through Late Stage Die Cap (With Rotation?)

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 Posted 10/31/2019  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
No-Date-Copper-LMC--Struck-Through-Late-Stage-Die-Cap-With-Rotation?
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 Posted 10/31/2019  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
This is a counterbrockage from either (1) a rotated and shifted obverse die cap, (2) an off-center cent with a brockage of the obverse design on its reverse face that was converted into a die cap on the next strike, or (3) a cent with an off-center brockage that was converted into a die cap. In any case, it's an unusual counterbrockage.
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 Posted 10/31/2019  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list
Wow! What an amazing coin. Great find! Defiantly not a usual piece.
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 Posted 10/31/2019  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list
Very neat! Amazing find. Certainly unique.

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 Posted 11/01/2019  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Thanks for posting this interesting counterbrockage and helping me learn something this morning!
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 Posted 11/01/2019  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
First, thanks to GC for the PM to Mike Diamond.
Mike, Thanks for taking a look and adding a lot of information to this coin. (Say the word if you would like to look at this one first hand.)

If I'm understanding #2 & #3 above, they would have required a second strike?

A question on possibility #2 above. Wouldn't an off-center strike be struck out of collar? (This one was in the collar, looking at the finning on the rims and well-centered reverse.)

Thank to Coop for the images, QH27, CH27 and Spence as well for commenting.
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 Posted 11/01/2019  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I learned a lot here!
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 Posted 11/01/2019  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list
Also the coin looks to be 70's-80's just by the FG. Again, just an absolutely amazing coin.

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 Posted 11/01/2019  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list
A stunning find, first one I see.
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 Posted 11/01/2019  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beachnut to your friends list
Awesome coin. Quite a find.
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 Posted 11/01/2019  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list
Wow excellent find! That it's really awesome Pete!
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 Posted 11/01/2019  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
In reponse to Pete's question:

If I'm understanding #2 & #3 above, they would have required a second strike?

Your coin was struck only once. The die cap responsible for the counterbrockage was struck at least twice before the strike that generated your coin.

A question on possibility #2 above. Wouldn't an off-center strike be struck out of collar? (This one was in the collar, looking at the finning on the rims and well-centered reverse.)

Once converted into a cupped die cap, its working face would have had no problem squeezing into the collar. And even if it been unable to fit into the collar, the planchet represented by your coin did. It's quite common for the bottom member of a two-coin stack to be surrounded by the collar while the top member is struck out-of-collar. Expansion of the top coin is constrained by the bottom coin, as the two discs are locked together for the duration of the strike.
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Thanks again Mike for the added detail. (You must be great at 3-D puzzles!)
It's all starting to come together in the grey matter now. It's the die cap all that all this happened to before striking the planchet.

Thanks Coinfrog, CH27, Chase007, beachnut, cointheterm for checking it out and commenting.
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 Posted 11/01/2019  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Thanks Mike.
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"Thanks again Mike for the added detail. (You must be great at 3-D puzzles!)"

Well, I did teach human gross anatomy to medical students and other health professionals for over 12 years. There's no better education for learning to think in three dimensions.
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