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b/t/w I forgot to mention  to CCF JK |
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I'd say AU-58 as well, and agree that this pic makes the obverse look possibly cleaned. to the CCF! |
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thanks all, on the look of being cleaned do you think its the glare or the scratches? I tried to get the best pic but the lighting and scratches on the case may be playing into that.
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AU Details Obverse Cleaned
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Edited by JasonKflo
04/16/2020 6:12 pm
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The obverse fields show quite a bit of friction which suggests the coin was lightly cleaned at some point. Overall detail is AU-55 or 58. The assigned (lower) grade likely takes the possible cleaning issue into account.
Still a nice coin with good eye appeal.
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interesting just compared it to a few of my other AU coins all graded 53 to 58 and all have the same little scratches , most the BU coins have it to, this one also still has some luster on the cheek , forehead and a few spots in the field. Thanks for all the info
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 so here is another AU but 55 looks to have all the same little scratches , in fact most the AU'S I am seeing online have the same small scratches. |
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55 looks to have all the same little scratches , in fact most the AU'S I am seeing online have the same small scratches. There are different types of little scratches. In the original photo the little scratches in the field appear to be hairline scratches from a cleaning. In the other photos the little scratches appear to be from circulation. It is also possible that the coin has some hairline scratches from an old cleaning, but not bad enough to details the coin, so the coin was net graded down to AU53. |
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Since the 84-S is huge money in MS, I've seen many given a lower grade then if it were, say, an 81-S.
Same thing with 86-0 and a few others.
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the 84(S) is typically known for sharp strikes. the breast is weak and the hair around the ear is a little weak so the strike is AVG- she's been banged around and you can see some rub on the breast and eagle head. I had it at AU55
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thanks for all the replies I appreciate it all
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@slider23
Good to know on that , this coin has the same types of marks not sure why the photo is showing them going the same way under magnification the scratches are all different like the second photo as still quite a bit of luster doesn't look like anything I have been able to find online being cleaned ,I may have someone else look at it once this virus blows over, regardless I love the coin and do not plan on ever selling it , has a lot of character
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The 1884-S is a notorious condition rarity. It is silver shrapnel below VF and costs more than a new car above a baggy UNC.
By technical grade, both the obverse and reverse are AU-55. @Slider23 nailed it. The coin was very likely drop-graded 0.5 points for eye appeal, possibly because of an improper older dipping and almost certainly for the excessive bagginess, which is most apparent on the obverse. The retoning appears to be natural.
On the obverse, residue from at least two fingerprints is visible, one in the angle inside the right wheat kernels and cap fold and "BUS" of PLURIBUS, and the other between the ribbon and the fifth and sixth right stars. When the first photo is adjusted to enhance color,reduce light, and sharpen contrast, multiple parallel bag marks exist from Liberty's throat to her jaw and from her cheek to her ear. Some of those are fairly deep. There are many light surface NW-SE scratches from rubbing or cleaning in the fields and on the devices. The reverse is better. The strike is weak for the date, but not excessively so. I see the bag marks and scratches as the primary reason for an eye appeal adjustment.
Overall, PCGS nailed the grade here. It is consistent with other grades I have seen from PCGS for years, and I don't see a reasonable potential for an increase in grade by resubmission. If anything, there is a greater risk of the coin being detailed on resubmission.
JMHO, but I'd leave it alone as a straight-graded 53.
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Thanks Fortcollins I was not planning on resubmitting , I do really like the coin and think it has nice eye appeal in the hand though the scratches are much harder to see with the eye
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Posted 04/16/2020 08:39 am
here are a few other pics probably not that great either. Curious why a few of you think it's cleaned? The surfaces do not look like other cleaned coins I have seen and still has some luster on the obverse Unless I'm missing something obvious looks very comparable to my other 8 graded AU Morgan's
