1994 1 Cent Doubled Die Obverse

I realized my last post was ambiguous in terms of what I think... for now, I am on the fence.

I would need to see more of these, preferably in mint state condition, with the exact same die doubling - that would definitely be a characteristic of a doubled die - that same die would have imparted the same doubling on a good number of coins, like the 1967 DDO. Other types of doubling sometimes vary in where and how much you see doubling (e.g., progressive).

In principle, I agree with you. The main problem with this is we simply do not have the same collector base as the US. Go to a major US coin show and it will fill an entire NHL sized arena. Then go to Torex or Coin Expo and you'll see a massive difference in terms of collector interest, dealers, resources and the sheer number of those who collect coins. Check out the modern varieties and errors subforum for US coins here on CCF, and you'll see more posts there on this topic in a single week than in this forum in a year.

When I used to do coin shows, I hardly ever sold a variety or minor error, even in mint state condition. I even stopped bringing modern (post-1967) coins to shows. If it is not in Charlton or Trends, some collectors just don't want it. That said, ebay however, is an entirely different venue, where there is some interest in this stuff, up to a point. So you might have better reception to an online collector base than just a Canadian collector base. For me, I measure success of a new variety if I know others get out there to look for it...

So I looked through about $25 worth of 90's rolls today and I still have a bit more to go through and although this one is not in MS condition, I did find another one none the less, with the exact same doubling.


New one I just found is the darker one on the Left, the Right one is the original one this post is about.





These following images here, you will see the New 1994 on the left, a Normal 1994 in the middle and the Original 1994 this post was about to compare the size difference of the devices, all photos were taken from the same distance.

Just an update, following my research further into this 1994 1 Cent and I have came to the conclusion this truly is a DDO, not only have I found 2 identical coins showing identical doubling and same Die Chip marker, this coin can be compared to other Modern doubled dies as well (witch wouldn't be possible with Machine Doubling) like the 2013 5 Cent DDO I showed, and the 2012 5 Cent DDO I have yet to post.




If you take the 1st and last photo in that writeup that I did and do an overlay while matching the Green lines, you get this.




Note that the Devices width, or size for that matter is completely Unaffected, why?... Because a Doubled Die does not reduce the size of devices, only Machine Doubling does.

Next you see here, is a 1980 Machine Doubled Cent.



Now if you take the 1st and Last photo again, and do an overlay and match the Green lines up, you will notice that the devices are being Reduced in size, Why?.... Because Machine Doubling will Reduce the size of the devices due to the bouncing or shifting of the die while being struck.



For those who asked where the "Split Serifs" are, the font used after the 70's on Canadian Small Cents went from Pointly Serifs, to Rounded Serifs, so finding completely split serifs is almost next to impossible on coins from 1980's to present due to most modern Canadian Doubled Dies having less of a spread than the older Doubled Dies prior to the 1970's, but you will see the starting of the "Splits" like this.



Also note that where the Green arrows are pointing, on the surface of the Doubling, it is actually Smooth and the edges are slightly rounded like that of the Normal Device. If this were Machine Doubling the surface of the doubling itself would be completely flat with a sharp edge, and not rounded like seen in the photo above.


So all in all, This coin is not Machine Doubled, nor is it Die Deterioration Doubling. But in fact really is a doubled die obverse.

Thank you for the kind words and for your opinion Okiecoiner, I respect any and all opinions for sure, along with scepticism none the less. I am by no means an expert either, but I have looked at Canadian Small Cents and other modern denominations long enough to be able to tell the difference with a good certainty.

My main issue lays with the fact that I can compare this coin to other modern and Confirmed doubled dies, but for some reason people are still skeptical.

Perfect example. All of the "I" letters you see here have all of the same characteristics to one another.



Here are the "E" letters showing all of the same characteristics once again.



Obviously the 2013 5 Cent DDO has a wider spread which in return does begin to show the separation and splitting of the devices, but none the less they again still show all the same characteristics.



If you look at the 2012 DDO and the 1994 DDO they are almost identical.

Again, my issue is if you take 2 known Doubled Dies, compare a New possible doubled die with those original known 2, and all 3 look identical characteristically, why would it make more sense to refuse to believe the 3rd is a doubled die.

Again, opinions are respected and appreciated, I'm well aware of what Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration Doubling is and how it works and I'm also open to learning new things, but I personally wouldn't put this much attention into something if I did not believe in it.

- I have Two, 1994 Canadian 1 Cent pennies showing exact same doubling in return means that more than 1 had been struck.

- they both Can Be Compared to Other known modern doubled dies.

- Both showing the exact same Die marker along with the same spread of doubling, once again proving that more than 1 was struck.

Those reasons alone don't seem to be the known characteristics of Machine Doubling. However it does sound a lot more like the characteristics of a Doubled Die.

This is just my honest opinion.

The 2012 I have Zero doubt about it being a Doubled Die, I'm 100% confident it truly is. This is the photo of the "I" shown previously, you can clearly see the "Humps" or Notching from the result Die Doubling.

Finally had some time to check my 1994. Here is another one which I think is different than the one presented by JohnWayne007 (needs to be confirm).

I've selected the letters where split in the serif is most obvious.

numidan, your coin is a DDO as well.

I was, and still am, with 100% certainty convinced that mine and yours are both subject to a misaligned impression that happened during the hubbing process when the working punches created the obverse working dies for the 1994 Canadian 1 cent coin. Most of the doubled dies I have found or discovered have almost always been accompanied by a second variation.

When a doubled die occurs on a working die, often times it will happen on a couple of working dies and not just one, so finding a second variation like yours was just all in matter of time. I would put it in a 2x2 and hold on to it until my Canadian Doubled Die book has been published.






Dakota0404,

Thank you, I do my best to document and research my finds as thoroughly as possible. My logic is, if we can get the Modern Canadian small cent studied and documented as thoroughly as possible for doubled dies like the US collectors did with the Lincoln memorial cents, it may open the doors to more interested collectors which in return would yield the possibility for even more unique discoveries.