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Need Info On Three Of UK Coins - 1892, 1818 Half Crown And 1889 Crown

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 Posted 05/13/2020  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
One thing caught my eye on 1818. "A" on MAL PENSE seems to be unnaturally filled in the middle. What do you guys think?
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 Posted 05/13/2020  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ekalabya to your friends list
Thanks a lot @Molydeii

Regarding 'A' - I have attached a pic of the 1818 half-crown coin which is graded at MS 62.

Need-Info-On-Three-Of-UK-Coins---1892,-1818-Half-Crown-And-1889-Crown

I don't know why, I feel the one in question is a fake.
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 Posted 05/13/2020  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
I was sitting next to the halfcrowns I had ao I thought I could check the letter A in mine. elow are the 1819 example I own. Condition wise it's very inferior to yours. Pictures arent best but perhaps you can compare to letters with yours. I believe mine is guaranteed to be authentic because no one would bother to fake this coin in that condition. :-) there is a supposedly middle eastern privy mark on the cherk of the George on heads side.

Yet, it cal be a filled die, a minor thing or just me seeing it wrong from the pictures. I am very far from being an expert in British coinage. Let's see what more experienced users will say.



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 Posted 05/13/2020  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ekalabya to your friends list
Molydeii, I honestly can't thank you enough. Thanks a lot.

On a different note - Do you store all your coins in Quadrum capsules or quadrum intercept capsules?
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 Posted 05/13/2020  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list

Quote:
there is a supposedly middle eastern privy mark on the cherk of the George on heads side.


That's not a privy mark. It's possibly a "chopmark" - a mark used by bullion dealers and merchants in the Far East to show they were satisfied with the coin's authenticity.

A chopmarked coin isn't necessarily genuine, the merchant could have been wrong, also, fake chopmarks on fake coins are known.
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 Posted 05/13/2020  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
@ Petrinax, thank you for clarification of the term. I think some middle eastern merchants also used the same method. My opinion about authenticity is more related with the condition of my coin, it's not about the "chopmark". My English isn't very good so I often cannot really express what I mean.

@Ekalabya only very few of the coins I own are inside regular Quadrum square capsules. It was my project some ten years ago to put the valuable ones inside quadrums, but I switched to round capsules and 2x2 cardboard later. I tend to keep uncirculated moderns and anything that has a value of a few pounds and up inside round capsules. I live in a relatively humid area. This is why I decided to stick to hard plastics as much as I can. Stabbing coins is an unheard of practice here in Turkey but I know a few people getting theirs stabbed by US third party graders and a few others that use only Quadrum intercepts.
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 Posted 05/14/2020  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ekalabya to your friends list
Thanks a lot @ Petrinax

@molydeii - So what type of cardboard flips do you use? Lighthouse or Hartberger. I have been keeping my coins in cardboard flips (not from Lighthouse or Hartberger). It is having bad reaction with the flips. So planning to move my coins to Lighthouse flips. My preference is Quadrum intercept capsule, 2 problems with that, one is cost and the other is storage. So planning t keep my 5 pound proofs and some crowns in Quadrum intercept capsule. Rest I will move to Lighthouse flips.

Any idea about milk spots? Does it matter on where it is getting stored and best way to prevent (I am not talking abt cleaning but preventing or make sure a coin is not damaged further). If you have any article please share.

Thanks again.

Cheers,
Ek.
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 Posted 05/14/2020  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Hi Ek,

It's quite discussion as how to store coins properly. I think the enviroment is equally important as the storage material itself. With my poor English, I will try to explain briefly how I store most of the coins I own. Some sotrage options such as round capsules of every dimension or some specific equipment are hard to find in shops here, so I bought most of the acsessories I use from travels to Germany or the UK in the past.

I use regular Quadrum sqare capsules for valubale or relatively valuable coins. I have an aluminum box with ten trays for quadrums and round capsules. They're mostly for valuable Turkish, UK, European and a few US coins with high grade/silver content/proof strikes. Anything with "delicate" surfaces or above $15 goes there. After some ten years, I still have lots of empty space there as I think I bought more trays than I could ever fill. I also keep my per type UK predecimals there in quadrums or round capsules of Lighthouse brand.

Bulk of high grade modern coins that I collect are also inside round capsules and on trays inside aluminum coin suitcases. Here is a link of the one I store them in.
https://www.amazon.com/Lighthouse-C...p/B005696RSY

Some circulated modern coins I own, plus well-circulated older coins I own are inside 2x2 coin holders, non-adheisive (one you need to use a staple to hold together) of Importa brand recently. I used adheisive Lighthouse/Leuchtrum brand and some generic non adheisive ones, I get mixed results from those latter ones. Lighthouse seem to have too soft plastic window and with the generic ones, after 10-12 years, some holders turned dull and leaving some residue on the coin (that easily went off with gentle use of soap and water). Surprisingly, some holders of the same batch that is stored in the same box (practically next to each other) look as shiny as the first day I put them in. Perhaps something about the metal in the modern coins. I do not know why honestly.

Keep in mind that these are all my experience in storing coins. I live in a relatively humid area (that was the reason why I choose to stick with hard inert (suppsoedly) plastic from well known brands, in the first place. More than a decade ago, when I was looking to find a way to properly store coins, someone told me that "nothing happens overnight to them". Just observe them in the first years and if you see anything that loosk suspicious, then change the storage medium as soon as possible.

Below is a picture of an almost uncirculated (if not Uncirculated at all) half crown of Victoria which as been sitting inside the same Quadrum that I put in back in 2010-2011. It is exactly the same, including the golden-rosy partial toning on it, which was there when I bought it some ten years ago. This means, I'm most probably storing them correctly. Maybe after 20 years, they may need a storage change, but who knows, guess I will wait and see.

I also think there is also a variety of options under the "main coin forum" part of the CCF forum.

I hope this has been of some help. Happy collecting Ek!
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 Posted 05/14/2020  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Whoops, sorry. Forgot the picture. Here is the halfcrown inside capsule I was talking about : (picture quality is bad due to constant cropping to make them uploadable to the forum & my not very good computer skills. :) )

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05/14/2020 10:35 am
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 Posted 05/14/2020  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ekalabya to your friends list
Thanks so much Molydeii. And really sorry for this.

This regarding the size of the internal diameter of the capsule. I don't want the coin to move around in the capsule

Can you please suggest which capsule to use for what size from the below (I am using this as an example)?

For below coin sizes
38.2
38.4
38.6
38.8 -
39.0 - In this case I think the capsule size should be 39

This question I am sure is sounding stupid but very important for me.

Cheers,
Ek.






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 Posted 05/14/2020  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Ek : You mean quadrums, right? I often use 1mm or less smaller diameter quardrum capsule for a tight fit, that means I use a 32mm for a 32.3mm half crown, or sometimes 31 for earlier examples. A 30mm Quadrum for a predecimal penny. A small push gets the coin inside the quarrum's inner foam. With round capsules, that is not possible as any coin even 0.1mm wider than the capsule has hard time getting in the caosule, and even if you "force" the coin in, the caosule will crack over time (I'd seen that in a few coins)

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 Posted 05/14/2020  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ekalabya to your friends list
Perfect Molydeii. That is exactly what I was talking abt.

Thanks so so much.

Take care. Hope to speak soon.

Cheers,
Ek
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 Posted 05/15/2020  04:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
My pleasure! Have fun collecting. Feel free to PM me if I could be of any help
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 Posted 05/20/2020  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list
And Halfcrowns are the greatest coins to collect.

I don't suppose our OP and Molydeii who are turkish collect Ottoman coins at all do they?
I have just found them so fascinating and they are easy to get here, as people bought back Egyptian and Turkish ones from World War One.

I mean I can buy a 20 Kurus of Abdul Aziz for like $30 NZD (About $18USD)
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 Posted 05/21/2020  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list
Princetane : Halfcrowns are beautiful coins. The first old coin I found was a battered down British Halfcrown from year 1900, buried near an old water well in my hometown in Western Turkey, where has seen much battle between the British & ANCAC forces and the Ottoman army. That was such a long time ago that I was around 9-10 years old and the world was a diferent place, and ever since Halfcrowns do fasciniate me.

And no, from my geography, I only collect coins of the Republic, and tend to focus post-1934, that is when we start to use Latin alphabet on coins and currency, but many, many collectors I know from here and abroad enjoys the Ottoman currency. I used to have some but they were given away to a friend more than a decade ago.

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