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Quote: I've been looking for this coin for a while, when my LCS got one in stock, I had to pick it up. Another addition to my Bison Coinage. Fantastic!  Quote: Best part is that Canadians know what a buffalo is and what a Bison is. 
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Quote: Best part is that Canadians know what a buffalo is and what a Bison is. Yup...so does science outside of the internet's misinformation: 
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From the National Zoo: https://nationalzoo.si.edu/"Are bison and buffalo the same? Though the terms are often used interchangeably, buffalo and bison are distinct animals. Old World "true" buffalo (Cape buffalo and water buffalo) are native to Africa and Asia. Bison are found in North America and Europe. Both bison and buffalo are in the bovidae family, but the two are not closely related. How did the names get so mixed up? Historians believe that early European explorers are to blame, though the details are a bit murky. According to the National Park Service, it's possible it stemmed from the French word boeuf, meaning beef. Others posit that bison hides resembled buff coats commonly worn by military men at the time, inspiring the name. Whatever the case, the misnomer stuck."
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The taxonomy verifiably accurate as shown in the graphic. Someone not knowing what that term means needs to go back to high school biology or look it up as a refresher since that system is the universal basis upon which all living organisms, plant and animal, are named and classified.
Having taught taxonomy in the past, this non-buffalo-internet-born trend has always been ridiculous to me b/c the scientific facts are the scientific facts regardless if someone does not want to accept it or not.
Taxonomy was invented by Charles Linnaeus in 1735. That was the first time the word "bison" was applied as a CLASSIFICATION (not an animal name) a full 100 years after the American Buffalo had already been given its name of "buffalo" by the French explorer Samuel De Champlain. Having been introduced to the animal by Indians of the Nipissin First Nation, Champlain was writing about the animal and named it a buffalo from the French beouf...the French term for ox/beef-like.
Linnaeus took the Greek word, bison, which is the (wait for it...) Greek equivalent of the what the animal already was being called...the French word beouf (buffalo). Both terms mean ox/beef like. Latin or Greek are the standards for science, and so the already-used French name of ox/beef-like was mimicked in the Greek term to be used for CLASSIFICATION purposes.
Another example just in case the difference between bison and buffalo has not yet registered. In other words, "dog" is to "buffalo" as Canis familiaris is to Bison bison (and Bubalis bubalis).
As to the linked website...I have seen a joke on the internet: "You can believe everything you see on the internet" by Abraham Lincoln.
Websites that do not take the time to check standardized scientific facts are rampant. They include some very "official" websites as well. however, wanting and stating do not make fact.
BTW...despite the linked websites scientific misinformation, note the website also is not historically accurate either. Whoever was writing up their content did not want to take the time to dig dee enogh to find out the origin of the word buffalo as knowin to history.
Just one more item... As a kid I was well aware of the animals name since I grew up near Fort Le Beouf, (Waterford) Pennsylvania. Yes..."Fort Buffalo" is what that name means. The name for the fort was given in 1753 b/c of the North American Buffalo that used to roam the area. Even though the classification system had been around for 20 years, people in educated circles were still using the name of the animal and not its classification.
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I'll still call it a Bison. You don't like don't post on my thread. But it's not a Buffalo, no matter what you think it is.
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I apologize my post made you think this was personal and evoked an emotional response. I had no intention of that at all. I have appreciated your input on this forum for a long time and menat no offense.
As a former science and math teacher I really have to work at it when writing/posting to add the right wording so people won't take offense. I just do not naturally think of those things in the way my brain is wired. I spent a good 20 minutes just with this post alone editing and re-editing b/c I was trying to state fact as it is and not include personal prefeferences.
I am an educator and posted b/c I see all over the internet where people are not aware of the taxonomy & history (not something I made up and "think it is") so, just like many people nowadays use the word "shinny" for "shiny" and "loose" for "lose," I shared the verifiable facts. I am a researcher and appreciate when I am corrected or show info I did not know. So I tend to think others appreciate this as well...which, I guess is why my profession was teaching!
The info was put here so readers coming to the forum will understand there has been an internet-fostered error concerning using a classification only vs. an animals common name. Thus, specifically, the reference to the word dog and cat was made.
For that matter, it is a free country and someone can call this animal a pigeon if they make the choice to do so.
Edited by Earle42 08/29/2023 11:28 am
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@Earle42, No offense was taken, when one reads the posts its hard to discern intent. I also apologize for my abrupt response. I also like reading your posts. But I think you and aren't discussing the same thing. Taxonomy is the scientific name for a thing. The animal on the 5 cent Native American coin is no longer considered a buffalo. That is not my definition that is what the worlds zoos/biologists/experts in animals are stating. The local zoo has a pen with American Bison and African Buffalo, they are not the same animal. Zoos which in my opinion are the experts on animals no longer call the animal a buffalo they call them Bison. Even at European zoos the animal is called a Bison. So the meaning of the words have changed. I do agree with you that nickel was called the Buffalo nickel, but that name like calling a Native American an Indian because Christopher Columbus assumed he sailed to India, not a new continent, and while the name stuck its not correct. Americans are also not the best with standards, the animal on the 5 cents was called a Buffalo, but the same animal on the $10 Legal Tender was called the Bison Note.
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Funny you should mention that!  Back in the late 60s through the 80s when I used to live close to Erie, PA, there was an amazing restaurant called the "Peterseria" (owner was named Pete) on 8th street close to Peninsula Drive. Their specialty was buffalo wings...simply AMAZING! When you ordered a bucket of wings, they were double bucketed b/c the hot buffalo sauce would soak through the inside bucket. When you opened the lid, you were greeted by a literal and total covering over the top of a layer of hot pepper seeds that had to be dug into to find the chicken. You also had to drive with the windows down in the car b/c your eyes would be so teared up otherwise, and it was hard to breath without coughing. I know it's hard to believe, but that is no exaggeration at all! Man my mouth is watering as I typed that!  The owner, Pete, was from Buffalo and when I asked why they were called Buffalo wings, he said he was originally from Buffalo (only 80 miles away). Pete said in the early 60s he had a hand in making Buffalo style chicken wings at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New York. At least from what I have been able to tell, the story seems accurate not only from him as an eye witness, but also from online sources as well. The term Buffalo-style chicken wings is what the name originally referred to sort of like Col. Sanders being from Kentucky & making Kentucky fried chicken. But, as you can see with the name of Pete's restaurant, he had a habit of playing with words. So the creation was dubbed "Buffalo wings." Now people are usually totally unaware the name includes where they were invented. Now if Chick-fil-A had started out in Buffalo... 
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Quote:That is not my definition that is what the worlds zoos/biologists/experts in animals are stating. The local zoo has a pen with American Bison and African Buffalo, they are not the same animal. Zoos which in my opinion are the experts on animals no longer call the animal a buffalo they call them Bison. Even at European zoos the animal is called a Bison. So the meaning of the words have changed. I do agree with you that nickel was called the Buffalo nickel, but that name like calling a Native American an Indian because Christopher Columbus assumed he sailed to India, As globalization continues, it has influences. While I agree the zoologists would be animal experts, the textbooks from which they learn and study are based upon taxonomy. The public trend of erasing the word Buffalo, despite it being the first non-Indian name it was eve given, has been a typically modern trend with the same basis as the modern trend of wanting people to use the term sea star instead of starfish. Granted, that animal is not a fish, but then again common names of animals have never been the go to standard for a universal science classification anyway. I also have experience in entymology (building collections/mounting specimens for various organizations) which is a field depending on classification as well as common names. So very many moths and butterflies typically are referred to even by experts by the common name which is never considered improper or less accurate b/c the taxonomy is not being used. A monarch butterfly is correctly classified (important term) as a Danaus plexippus. And since there has been no (internet-birthed it seems) attempt to erase the common name of Monarch, no one says that this insect is not properly called a Monarch butterfly. It is no more "correct" to use the taxonomy or the historically given common name. As I have been watching the buffalo/bison debate grow over the years, rage over the years, I have noted that people just decide to go with the flow...which explains why the trend has continued. Who has time to verify things like this anymore which would be trivial to most...except those of us who grew up in a "Buffalo, New York" saturated culture?  BTW...The European version of Bison ( Bison athabascus I believe but should look it up...or is that the Wood buffalo?!) has rarely ever been called a buffalo in Europe. The common name has always been a bison. I have a feeling this, and advent of the online global community has (innocently) played a hand in trying to erase the common name in America.
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Earle I sent you a private message
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Though I've sent this to you in an email, I thought I'd share it here. Made me chuckle and think of you when I ran across this old Far Side cartoon a while back...  
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Does anyone remember the original topic of the thread? Dan Carr Centennial Bison Nickel tribute  
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Quote: Though I've sent this to you in an email, I thought I'd share it here. Made me chuckle and think of you when I ran across this old Far Side cartoon a while back... 
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