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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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this is my Magician's coin, a 1974 Canada half dollar and a 1974 centavos, when put together it looks like a real coin, yours however, doesn't look real..   |
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 United States
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Wow, I'm... No, just Wow.  ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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United States
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These coins are not at all uncommon, they show up on the coin forums quite frequently. There is no way a coin could be struck on a planchet that was silver on one side and copper on the other.
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United States
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I have a few magic coins I've picked up over the years, one popular trick is called "Scotch & Soda" it is usually available in most magic shops. Now on to actual mule coins... I don't have any real muled US coins but I do have several nice "Mule Die Clash" coins, from the list below (I'm only missing 4 & 6). A Mule Die Clash has marks from dies that should never have been paired together in a press. Mule Die Clashes were, until recently, considered a 19th century phenomenon. Six are known from that century: 1. An 1857 Flying Eagle cent that shows a clash between its obverse die and the obverse die of a $20 double eagle gold coin. 2. An 1857 Flying Eagle cent that shows a clash between its reverse die and the reverse die of a Seated Liberty quarter dollar. 3. An 1857 Flying Eagle cent that shows a clash between its obverse die and the obverse die of a Seated Liberty half dollar. 4. An 1857 Seated Liberty quarter dollar that shows a clash between its reverse die and the reverse die of an 1857 Flying Eagle cent. 5. An 1864 2 cent coin that shows a clash between its reverse die and the obverse die of an Indian Head cent. 6. An 1870 Shield nickel that shows a clash between its obverse die and the obverse die of an Indian Head cent. It's widely suspected that all of these mule clashes are the result of mischief by mint employees. There has been a modern "Mule Die Clash" Lincoln Cent, a 1999 discovered by Amy Antone, from a pile of pocket change. See: https://minterrornews.com/discoveri...e-clash.htmlNow of course a real mule coin is a major error: The double-denomination 2000-P Sacagawea dollar/Statehood quarter dollar mule error comes to mind right away, discovered by Frank Wallis. So far 19 known now with 3 die pairings. Collector (Tommy Bolack) of New Mexico owns (I believe) 14 of the known examples, so far, including the finest knowns, which have certified by PCGS & NGC at MS67. Error dealer and my friend Fred Weinberg maintains a nice listing of the census of them here http://www.fredweinberg.com/error-news/Several unique mule coins are known from US patterns and In February 2009, Coin World reported that some 2007 Abigail Adams medals, from the U.S. Mint, were struck using the reverse from the 2008 Louisa Adams medal, apparently by mistake. These pieces were contained within the 2007 First Spouse medal set. The U.S. Mint has not released an estimate of how many mules were made. ebay prices in March 2009 were reported as high as $925.99. (From Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_(coin)MULE COINS are certainly a very interesting segment of coin collecting and an area which probably could do with much more research. Saint Stephen, hope I answered a few question you brought to the fore front. Sources? PCGS, NGC and ANACS would certify them if found legitimate, legal to own and verified as real and from the mint. PCGS & NGC are the most reputable certification companies in US coinage today in the market, that is where I'd be sending one if I get so lucky. See my friend Fred Weinberg's site for more info on the 2000-P Sacagawea dollar/Statehood quarter dollar mule errors. Take a look into Mike Diamond's site I linked above as well, you might also try CONECA the error collector club at: https://conecaonline.org/ for more on Muled coins. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
07/20/2020 10:23 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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And if you want real early date Mule US coins go back to the Draped bust dimes 1798 to 1807, several of the varieties are mules. The reverse of the dime and the quarter eagle were very close in size and several of the quarter eagle reverse dies, whe retired from striking gold, were paired with dime obverses and used to strike dime. (In every case the dies were used first for quarter eagles and then dimes, never the other way round) so there were coins struck with a dime obv and a quarter eagle reverse.Two dies that weren't really intended to be used together, the definition of a mule. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Amazing, simply amazing. |
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 Austria
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Thank you Ty2020b. And everybody else. I appreciate your quick response. I see your coin looks almost identical to the two I possess. And also to the ones I've seen that have sold at auction for tens of thousands of dollars. On Youtubes numerous coin channels. This is what I ask for initially. You will kindly excuse my ignorance about the internet. And what may appear to be a lack of decorum. I dont visit Reddit, or other on-line forums, and have considerable difficulty using a computer. I did not grow up with one. It is new to me. I have no idea what the acronym TPG means. And to my knowledge PCGS is not accepting coins from the EU, at least for now. I could be wrong. Will do what I can to have my two examples authenticated or not. Yet still the question would remain why anyone would call what you have, or someone else, a "magic coin" in that there is no magic. The coin doesn't do anything. Thank you for your patience. ASAP possible will keep the communty posted. All the best |
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Austria
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westcoin: Thank you so much for the time and care with which you responded. I appreciate it. I wish you had included a photo of the muled die clash coins you possess. Anyone of the six would have done well to educate me. I have one clear die-clash, but not an example from two seperate dies. I will visit the site you recommend as soon as time and circumstance permit. Your input has been most welcome.
All the best.
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Austria
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Conder101 Awesome. I would appreciate photos or some web address I might visit to view these.
Thank you very much.
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Austria
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Icutler. Thank you for your response. But you could be wrong.
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Austria
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merclover: Yes , sometimes life is like a slow moving train wreck. Enjoy the show.
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Austria
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yokozuna: Yes, Baltimore is a wonderful city. Nothing like a leisurely stroll along Edmondson Avenue to give one an appreciation of the finer things in life. Did you know that Tom Waites inspiration was the song Baltimore Oriole by Hoagy Carmichael and Paul Webster ?
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Austria
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Adam E: The most recent ruling by the courts is that the substitution of any metal from what should be there is fraud. Period. Your intention doesn't matter, because you are defrauding the US government. The EU has adopted this policy as well in the last six months or so. Making a piece of jewelry with the coin is legal. Go figure. Still ask yourself, what idiot would ruin a .900 pure Ag. Mercury just to stick a penny over it ? For what? Admittedly people do really stupid things. Ergo we have laws, which change frequently enough. Still.....prison seems a rather unappetizing proposition.
Thanks for your input.
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United States
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The most recent ruling by the courts is that the substitution of any metal from what should be there is fraud. Period. Your intention doesn't matter, because you are defrauding the US government. Sorry but unless you link a source that says as such I can't just take your word for it, even the US treasury says that defacing currency isn't illegal and makes no mention of metal substitution being an exception: https://www.treasury.gov/resource-c...rtraits.aspxQuote:
Still ask yourself, what idiot would ruin a .900 pure Ag. Mercury just to stick a penny over it ? For what? The coins make fairly suitable novelty or magicians coins, and they may not have been made recently, it could have been done back in the 60's when all you would be wasting is 11 cents. Regardless, The fact remains that at some point in time those two coins were altered outside the mint. |
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Forum Dad
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Your intention doesn't matter, because you are defrauding the US government. Well by the very definition of fraud you're 100% wrong. In order to be convicted of fraud, intent is exactly what must be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. |
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