So hi everybody. Thanks for tuning in. I hope that if you find the time to read this post, you will also find the time to respond. This is my third post on this forum. Although over 325 members read my last posts, not one took the time to respond. Only the moderators were kind enough to welcome me here. I am here because I can use some guidance. Hopefully someone amongst you will have the knowledge and charity to respond. We are all very busy. Me too. Now thats out of the way. I apologize in advance that only one of the coins in this post are American. Although the other is German it is neccessary to use it as a referrence. As muled coins, the real ones, which are genuine mint errors,are quite uncommon. Rare at least,and even unique at times. I believe I have the earliest known example of a muled coin in the world. If I am incorrect please advise me of this. And be sure to include the other examples type, country of origin, date, and a photo. I know of only two examples of an American eleven cent piece. Although there may be others I have not seen nor heard of them. And am aware of only a few true coins that were muled by accident in the mint. Some recent Sacagawea examples coming out of the Philadelphia mint are suspect, in that they appear to be the work of a rogue employee. Mine is also from the Philadelphia mint, but from over a hundred years ago. I have a 1917 Mercury dime obverse muled with a 1916 Lincoln Penny obverse. I hope the photos reveal enough information for the scholars amongst you. I have included my Weimar Republic 12 pfennig piece as a referrence as mentioned. I am confident they are both genuine errors. And should never have found their way into circulation. I am certain they are legitimate. The American 11 cent piece weighs in at 3.20 grams. Where the combined weight of a merc and a Lincoln Penny should weigh about 5.61 grams. There is 2.41 grams of material missing. The Weimar Republic twelve cent piece weighs in at 4.42 grams, and should weigh at 7.35 grams. And so the missing material is about 2.93 grams. In both cases one third to almost half the combined weight of both coins is missing. And this is confirmation that the process by which they were muled was essentially the same. I hope you will look closely at both coins. If any of you has a muled coin please inform me of this. My questions to the community are simple. Has anyone have a muled American, or German, coin in their possesion ? Does anyone know of a reputable souce of information on mint errors in general, and muled coins in particular ? Does anyone know which of the three big names in numismatic grading specializes in mint errors ? Anacs, NGC, and PCGS. Does anyone suggest one auction house over another ? The last two muled coins, such as my own, that sold at auction, went from about $60,000 to $130,000 respectively. Each came after 1970 or 1980. Any information on the subject is welcome. Thank you for your time.
@ss, I think that you will find many more replies if you post pics of your coins on your threads rather than links. I'm sorry that you haven't been getting much for replies, but help us to help you.
With that said, there aren't typically a ton of replies here for questions posted to the world variety and error subforum of CCF.
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As others said, just a magician coin. I have one as well, found in change, Wheat cent hollowed out and a Mercury dime inserted. Interesting novelty item, but not worth more than a few bucks.
@ty2020b Hi Ty. Gee Ty I didn't expect a whole lot from everybody, but I did expect more from the moderators in this forum. If you actually have "magic coin" ,that is a Lincoln Penny with a Mercury dime. Please send a photo to me for comparison. And if it proves to be identical with my own I will offer you a "few" dollars for it. Just in case there is any confusion. The coins I have are not some slight of hand trick for an eight year olds birthday party. I was not asking for anyones opinion as to the veracity of the two coins of this nature in my possesion. Mine are genuine and real. This fact is not in question. In fact there are no "magic coins" of the nature suggested by the responses I received. None ! That is a myth ! One that stops today. I am disappointed that everyone simply accepts this myth, but myth it is. In this case the use of Occams Razor is strongly recommended. Instead of going into the numerous reasons why this is so I will only touch on two or three, and then hope that my original questions can then be properly addressed by the more knowledgable and competent amongst you. It is laughable that anyone would risk a two thousand dollar fine, and or, five years in prison to create a novelty coin. That is such absolute nonsense. Send me photo's of your "magic coin". The ones sold in the backs of comic books were not made of silver, or copper, but plastic. And there is no "trick" to showing somone an eleven cent piece. Unless you care for that $2,000 fine, and the prospect of doing five years in a federal penitentiary. But who knows ? Maybe fooling an eight year old at his birthday gives you some thrill.. The Federal Statute USC 331 makes the defacing of American coins, in the aforementioned fashion, a federal crime. And each coin that you have hollowed out is fraud, each coin another two thousand dollar fine, and another five years in prison. The United States, and all EU countries, do not allow, nor permit, nor condone, the intentional mutilation of their coins for any reason that might change the coin via omission or substitution of metals. So the idea that some novelty company was doing this on a regular basis is pure myth. if you posses such a muled coin, by all means send me some photos, and for a few dollars I might buy it from you, maybe. Now please, if this is your position, take a few moments to reflect on what your saying. Try it yourself. Go ahead, just hollow out a penny and then hollow out a dime and make a perfect fit, just for a gag. Don't make me . If you have an example of a muled coin send it in for my perusal. That is what I asked. I ask, "Is there one company over another that is better at authenticating such error coins ?" To simplify. 1) Do you have a muled coin such as the two I have submitted ? 2) Do you know of a company, Anacs, PCGS, or NGC, or some other. That specializes in error coins ? Both world wide and American ? 3) Does anyone know of an earlier example of a muled dime and American penny ? 4) How does one take a microscopic photo ? In order to best analyse my humble collection. 5)Ty2020b Would you be so kind as to submit for me your own example ? Please ?
Sigh...I have often assumed the average coin collector to have a modicum of intelligence. More than the average citizen. Please prove me correct with this assumption, and carefully consider your answers to my questions and requests. If you would be so kind. I understand how in the busy monotony of the mint that confusion can ocur in the die-room. Resulting in a double denomination coin. What I don't understand is the hue and cry of foul when good fortune smiles upon another person. Such is the pity that people are trapped within the monotony of their own design. Or that by vanity one should feel themselves superior to another. I am a stranger in name only. My own numismatic journey began in 1965. Lets try this again. BTW the latest muled coin coming out of the Philadelphia mint was the Sacagawea/Washington $1.25 coin in 2000. Do you know of any other later examples ? Or, more importantly any from the beginning of the twentieth century? As in my prior correspondence, please be so kind as to submit photos, and all pertinent information. And if you too have such a "magic coin" send photo, and if you really want, I might offer you a few dollars for it. The last price the Sacagawea/ Washington coin brought at auction was a $158,625, oops that price was beaten recently at auction for $192,000 Which auction houses do you recommend ? Does anyone know of an ealier example than my own ? (The 1830 Canadian 1/2 cent token doesn't count as there is ample evidence they were minted intentionally that way.) Thank you for welcoming me. All the best.
Quote: Unless you care for that $2,000 fine, and the prospect of doing five years in a federal penitentiary. But who knows ? Maybe fooling an eight year old at his birthday gives you some thrill.. The Federal Statute USC 331 makes the defacing of American coins, in the aforementioned fashion, a federal crime.
This is INCORRECT. Defacing US coins is NOT illegal if it's not done with the intent to defraud. Federal statute 18 USC 331 "whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States . shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both." If there is not FRAUDULENT intent behind the destruction, it's perfectly legal. If what you are saying was true then sites like this: https://jasons.works/ Would be raided by the secret service.
Quote: .I have often assumed the average coin collector to have a modicum of intelligence. More than the average citizen. Please prove me correct with this assumption, and carefully consider your answers to my questions and requests. If you would be so kind.
Sure, I would only ask the same from you. It takes no more than a 15 second google search to see that you're wrong.
If you believe that you have a genuine error coin, any TPG, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, or even ICG if you're on a budget are all more than capable of authenticating errors. I eagerly await your results.
Mule coin should only be struck in a single planchet, that should be simple enough for any collector to recognized, that's a magician coin as other has said.
True 11 cent coins do exist, but they are either a dime struck on a cent planchet, or a cent struck on a dime planchet.. What you have is half a dime, and half a cent fussed together. you can clearly see where the coins are seamed together,
If you wish to still believe what you have is a mule coin, then please send it to PCGS for certification..
As per your request. Here are pics of mine (not for sale, a favorite of my daughters). Obverse, reverse, and it separated. That thin space you see on yours on the mercury side, is the gap between 2 separate coins. Yours is more worn than mine, might have a better fit, but if you wanted they could be separated.
Quote: Sigh...I have often assumed the average coin collector to have a modicum of intelligence. More than the average citizen.
If you are implying that by all of us disagreeing with you on here, we are less intelligent.... not the best way to get advice and gain some knowledge/insight.
It is LITERALLY impossible, as others have pointed out, for a coin to leave the mint with one alloy for the obverse and a different alloy on the reverse. As stated, mule coins are a single alloy, struck with the obverse of one coin and the reverse of another.
By all means, If you do not like the advice you receive on here, spend some money and send it to ANY top TPG ( or basement TPG for that matter) and prove us wrong!
this is my Magician's coin, a 1974 Canada half dollar and a 1974 centavos, when put together it looks like a real coin, yours however, doesn't look real..
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Posted 07/17/2020 09:31 am
. If you have an example of a muled coin send it in for my perusal. That is what I asked. I ask, "Is there one company over another that is better at authenticating such error coins ?" To simplify.
