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An Introduction To Predecimal New Zealand Coins 1933 - 1965

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1965 - The Last year of Predecimal coins - Part 1 Circulating coins issued in 1965.

Part 2 will deal with the sets briefly.

1965 was the last year of predecimal coins being issued in New Zealand, coins dated 1965 were likely struck into 1966 and even 1967 as quantities were needed until July 1967 when Decimal currency came in.

The Halfcrown and Penny were only issued for the sets, but there is enough proof through slightly worn examples of both, to prove some of these did enter circulation later in 1966 (Mainly as the sets did not arrive until September 1966)

Numbers issued of the other 5 denominations were very high, especially the Florin to substitute for the Halfcrown and also of the Halfpenny, Shilling and Sixpence.

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A glittering parade of 1965 coins.

Coins issued in 1965

Halfcrowns - 200,000 (For sets only and issued Sep 1966 - not legal tender)
Florins - 9,450,000
Shillings - 4,500,000
Sixpences - 8,600,000
Threepences - 4,200,000
Pennies - 200,000 (In sets only, issued Sep 1966)
Halfpence - 5,200,000

Total coins issued (Excluding 200k of each for set coins, a total of 1.4 million coins subtracted) - 30,950,000
Including the set coins - 32,350,000

Face Value of circulating coins only - £1,410,416/13/4 (funny number of halfpennies again)

Set numbers = 200,000

Blue Prooflike sets - 25,000 (Included 500 Ballot sets)
Green Selected coin sets - 75,000
Pink Ordinary coin sets - 100,000
Each set contained one of each coin, making up 7 coins per set and 1.4 million coins in total.


Some may have been cut open and used in circulation especially the Pink set as it cost only 10/- barely more than 1.5x face value.

1965 was the only year in which the face value of coinage issued was over 1 million pounds, over 900 thousand was in Florins alone. Mostly this was due to the Halfcrown being demonitised on May 4 1965, as to prepare people for decimal currency.

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An illegal spend after May 1965!

They really wanted to remove the penny and halfpence too, but these were too necessary for small change and lower value commerce. In 1965, a penny still had some value being able to buy a few sweets. They got part of their wish with the Penny being limited to sets only - but there was some 18 million coins from 1964 and over 100 million pennies in circulation anyway!

1965 was a great year for some errors too, extremely rare ones include a halfpenny with a British heads (The latin legend rather than our English language one) and a Threepence struck on a Hong Kong 5 cent coin planchet (A tiny brass coin). Both are mega rare costing 5 figures.

Less rare are the 1965 Broken back shilling and the broken wing on the sixpence.

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Broken wing Type 1 - VF

There were 2 types, a partially broken wing like the coin above and fully broken wing. Both are scarce without being rare, but this partially broken one is more scarce than the more broken one. Caused by a filled die and likely from striking a huge number of sixpences (History shows that sixpences were minted in quite low quantities most years after 1934). Of the 8.4 million circulation sixpences, around 200k were broken wings and only appear in circulation coins, none of the set ones.

The coins were issued at various times between 1965 and early 1967 and many of the 6d, 1/- and 2/- ended up remaining in circulation well after 1967 as they fitted as 5c, 10c and 20c coins as well. Just in case you can't understand why your 1965 Shilling looks as flat as a 1948 one! However finding nice examples will be easy and it is actually very hard to find a worn 1965 Halfpenny, Threepence or Halfcrown (Pennies tarnish very easy).

Uncirculated examples of all the 1965 coins are standard, you may have to buy a whole set for the Penny and Halfcrown, however here in NZ at least, a party trick is to buy a 1965 (Most likely Pink or Green) set, cut out the Penny and Halfcrown above each other and sell it loose, and then sell the rest separately. Mostly the prices are not any cheaper. More on this in the second part.

This would lead to a coin shortage for the Bronze in 1966 and in late 1966, 50 tonnes of Australian pennies were shipped over here to help out. The Australians had no need for them, given they had changed to decimal currency in Feb 1966.
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"Yup, good old 1964--Beatles, Rolling Stones, Southeast Asia brewing up..."

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Yup the Rolling Stones toured here in early 1965 and tickets cost just 5/- on the tour (That was about 90 cents American). Not sure what the Beatles charged in June 1964 when they came here, but I am sure it was at least £1 or even 30/-.
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Part 1 Circulating coins issued in 1965.
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1965 Coins - The sets

This will only be discussed quite briefly. Pages 3 and 4 of this thread discuss the process and reasoning well, but I will rehash some of this data for your covenience.
Most of the information is rehashed from Robert Peppings book - NZ History Coined, sets and coins all my own!

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Set packaging, heavy cardboard folders made in NZ.

Basically 200,000 sets of 1965 dated coins were made as souvenirs for the end of the Decimal series. Despite being issued in November 1966, the coins were all dated 1965. They were feted as early as May 1965 and people were to subscribe to the Reserve Bank to buy them. The initial proposal was for 5 to 7k Proof sets, 20k Proof like and the balance as standard uncirculated sets. But due to time constraints on the mint (Minting decimal coins for Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa and several other clients, along with British and Irish coins and also the movement across to the new mint at Llantrisant in Wales) they could not do proofs.

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Blue (Prooflike) and Green (Selected) sets.

The compromise was "Prooflike sets" these were a high quality finish, double struck and polished surfaces with a right angled rim, but no cameoing and the packaging in pliofilm supplied by the mint and the cardboard surround from NZ was similar to the cheaper sets. 25k of these sets were minted and 500 were put aside as "Ballot" sets in cases which are much rare, but still the same grade of coin inside. The quality of these was superb, and some coins may be proof quality - but overall these were not proof coins - just specimens. Still owning these coins is a pleasure!

The Specimen sets were sold out before they came here and none were placed on sale, but were sent to subscribers in November 1966.

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The grades of 1965 set coins.

Now this image I showed a while ago - let me explain it. Many of these sets were stored poorly and the pliofilm degraded over time. I brought a green and blue set in February and both had damaged packaging, so I decided to remove the coins and place them in flips. I already I had a pink set opened and thus this explains the picture.

These show florins of each grade, at left is the Pink Uncirculated coin, which is the same as circulating coins, struck once with used dies (Notice my halfcrown in the 1965 has a weak detail in the centre) and left to fall in the hoppers, so you get the dings and marks expected. However the coin is still uncirculated.

The middle coin is a Selected coin (Green set) and this is also a standard coin, but it was taken off the belt and not allowed to fall in the bucket. Also the dies for these coins were fresh and thus the detail is much better in this grade. You can see even in my bad photo, the coin is much shinier and sharper than the one at left, but it is not as nice as the coin on the right!

The coin on the right is the Specimen Prooflike one (Blue) notice the full sharp lustre (even more in real life), ultrasharp detail and extremely high quality mirrored fields.

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The complete set of Green coins, noticed the shinier coins, but still slightly tarnished bronze.


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And the blue set, lustre for miles and flawless bronze.

The ballot sets are rare, but given the coins are same quality as the blue sets and all you are paying $300 or $400 for is a likely to be corroded red case and a card listing the coins seems a poor investment.

Sets of all types are available now and the blue ones should only cost around $30 down to $10 for a pink one. Sadly many are sold incomplete with the Halfcrown and Penny missing or just the Halfcrown and Penny by themselves.

There is still plenty of stock, as many people who brought them ended up passing away recently and their holdings have entered the market.
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Very interesting information. Thanks PrinceTane.
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I remember a couple of times over the years finding NZ pennies in half dollar rolls here in the US. I have them (someplace). I like the Kiwi on the Florin.
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triggersmob Posted - Yesterday : 9:38 pm
Very interesting information. Thanks PrinceTane.


And soon you will have your very own set, Ralf got his coins on Thursday and I sent his the same time I sent yours!


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I remember a couple of times over the years finding NZ pennies in half dollar rolls here in the US. I have them (someplace). I like the Kiwi on the Florin.


Beautiful as they are, if I found a NZ Penny in a roll of halfdollars, I would be going back to the bank as the coin has a face value of under 2 cents American!
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And soon you will have your very own set, Ralf got his coins on Thursday and I sent his the same time I sent yours!


That's amazing. Mail is quicker to Europe than it is to your next door neighbour. :)
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Thank you Princetane for this excellent thread.
My interest in NZ pre-decimal has been renewed.
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